minimus i never believed everything either. those who do scare me. there are some witnesses i knew(one of them my ex best friend of 7 years) that i would never be friends with again outside of the org. It's as if they would absolutely do anything for the org, no matter what.
i know there is a cult mentality but there is the person you are deep inside and i feel some use the excuse of the organization to do some evil things to others.
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Jehovah's Witnesses Are An Illogical People & They Should Be Embarrassed!
by minimus inquestion a witness in a very logical manner about their view of blood transfusions and blood fractions and see what you'll get.. ask a witness where in the bible it states that you can't talk to a disfellowshipped family member unless he or she lived in your home.. ask a witness why they need 2 witnesses to establish that a child has been molested but they don't need 2 witnesses to establish that a spouse has been unfaithful and that the accuser may now be free to "scripturally" remarry.. have a jehovah's witness prove to you that filling out a service report is necessary for a christian to have god's approval.. can you think of other proofs that the witness religion is totally illogical??
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are we inactive or what?
by inactive? ini would like someone to discuss some issues i have.
i understand all are welcome here, so i am sure some elders or former elders could help me.
i was a pioneer for 7 years, before that i was a regular auxiliarry pioneer for 3 years, i have been a witness for 17 years.
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i was only saying to look at all the possibilities. Not all of us are angels here. i repeated a few times 'if that is the case' i wasn't saying you did but suspect it COULD well be. Gopher--thanks for bringing that out. I guess i just got kind of confused between her jumping through hoops to get back into their good books for the past few years and failed to see that she was not doing that at the moment anymore. inactive? I'm quite blunt but i sure don't want to cause you pain.I'm the kind of person that questioned my every motive while in the organization...and in life generally. The sister i mentioned earlier could one day be disfelloshipped and find this site and write her 'heartbreaking story' here. She's still a slanderer, liar and gossip who will put her own need for satisfying her vile tongue before thinking of the consequences it will cause her victims. (i was her main victim at our hall but she had others). And there are many of those. I'm not saying you are like her but that you should look at what you may have done to cause or contribute to your situation....if you feel you haven't done anything then forget my suggestion it doesn't apply to you. I'm not jaded by the trevorgate situation of this forum but by 'watchtower-gate' fiasco that is the organization. People have different motives and you may never know what they are. Is it reasonable to swallow anything a person tells you without being even able to make a comment that doesn't promote their cause? i don't respond well to emotional statements like ' well guess i should go back to the hall then?' or 'well you may be blaming me for it..' it's leading to these kind of posts where all i see in my post is ' I..I..I' when who cares about me?really we were talking about a situation you're facing. other posters have to defend their comments saying I I I too and in the end we forget what the hell we were ven talking about in the first place. I was just saying to look at your own actions. that's all. but really if i understand well now you just want to leave then you will find useful information to help you be strong in your fade away from the society. cheers.
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are we inactive or what?
by inactive? ini would like someone to discuss some issues i have.
i understand all are welcome here, so i am sure some elders or former elders could help me.
i was a pioneer for 7 years, before that i was a regular auxiliarry pioneer for 3 years, i have been a witness for 17 years.
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i'm with you NVRGNBK
those finishing statements are quite odd!as if in one day she goes from desperately wanting back IN but within a 24 hour period we will see a miraculous rebirth...a totally recovered EXJW when for the most of us it takes months if not years coming to terms with what we think, feel, say and how we act with regards to the religion. -
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are we inactive or what?
by inactive? ini would like someone to discuss some issues i have.
i understand all are welcome here, so i am sure some elders or former elders could help me.
i was a pioneer for 7 years, before that i was a regular auxiliarry pioneer for 3 years, i have been a witness for 17 years.
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"I do not know why young adults are 'fading out' but they are,"
hmmm.
i do feel you are pulling our leg inactive.
sorry if you aren't but your reasoning is a bit strange to me or you're just putting those statements out there so we can all jump on them and say AHA! or be gullible and say pooryou boohoo...
i haven't called out troll but could this simply be a sad person's plea for attention...and repeating the good little witness comment ad nauseam for which you've been criticized.
there was a sister who was almost marked at the hall because she thought gossip was the way to make friends.That's how she kept the attention on her. May the people in your cong just see you as a dangerous person to be around..;a bit calculating and manipulative.(??)
Since we are putting out scenarios for your present situation, i don't think we should rule out the ones where you are the one being the cause of your own fate. That just would not be objective.
You have the anonimity of the internet.Be honest with ways in which you may have contributed or totally created that situation for yourself at the hall if that is the case. if help is what you truly want you may as well be honest.
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are we inactive or what?
by inactive? ini would like someone to discuss some issues i have.
i understand all are welcome here, so i am sure some elders or former elders could help me.
i was a pioneer for 7 years, before that i was a regular auxiliarry pioneer for 3 years, i have been a witness for 17 years.
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hahaha @ rosalee.
But it seems inactive you have been posting for the past 12 hours? go out and play tomorrow.
this is a good place for advice but you need to take a breather and metabolize everything.
but really why would you stay?
why does your husband CARE that if y'all left the elders WOULD POSSIBLY THINK in their little heads that you were giving up privileges!! Who cares?
This is going to sound straight out of a 90s R&B video but do they pay your bills?NO.(right?)
so stand up for youself especially your husband!
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are we inactive or what?
by inactive? ini would like someone to discuss some issues i have.
i understand all are welcome here, so i am sure some elders or former elders could help me.
i was a pioneer for 7 years, before that i was a regular auxiliarry pioneer for 3 years, i have been a witness for 17 years.
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my gosh....this was the longest thread ever!!
i'll say this i find it very strange that you said like a good little JW. i never cared to look into the whole trevorgate thing although i think i've gotten the drift. It seems weird to me since you said that you avoid apostate terminology or something in one post but then say nice little witness in another. The reason it is weird to me is because you still believe in jehovah and want to go BACK to your regular JW life.
When i was scared of even thinking apostate stuff i certainly would have never said something like this. The witnesses you know are more internet savvy so they know these expressions....they go on apostate sites as well??becasue this is what it is by the organization's standards.
I do believe that some weird things like this could happen to you in a congregation that is mostly made up of a couple of families. Totally believable. But why clean the KH? WHYYYYY? WHYYYYY?
you have to respect YOURSELF. i think you may have noticed that posters here have not been kind to the victim role you have placed yourself in. Now understand me i am not saying it is a fake role but that you have genuinely resigned any form of self-worth or value that you have as a person to saty part of the organization.
It can be difficult to empathize with that, especially for people who have DA'ed for example for reasons outside of their personal experiences but because of issues bigger than them (blood, molestation, discrepencies in teachings causing death of thousands,etc)
Some may be reaacting to your weakness. I know it is hard if the society has brainwashed you into thinking you are nothing without them. When i was first disfellowshipped i was physically sick and thought i would suffer a sudden death because i was no longer in the org. The organization has abused you long enough by insulting your intelligence with flip flop doctrines and wasting your time....ooh and i forgot the issue with your daughter.
You have said your daughter to not be the most gorgeous girl at the hall. I understand fully why she would leave. I have seen many sisters not deemed pretty enough leaving to be with someone who appreciated them. you should be close to her as she may be with an abusive man if i remeber correctly?
You turned her in to the elders!!!! shame on you!!shame!!
keep repeating that to yourself.Start disassociating your JW persona froml the person you are really within. Think it was a disgrace for me to do this but the person i really am would never turn in her own flesh and blood.you weren't in the truth from birth, you know how you were before start nurturing that person that you were again. Start being as skeptical as you were when you first joined.
Anyways the organization has abused you and your congregation has abused you even more. Why would you take that kind of treatment? at this point you need to ask yourself some serious questions.
Why are you staying? do you feel you have nowhere else to go....if so wake up cause your cong ain't the place either. I'd rather sit at home alone then with looneys at the hall. It's made up of 2 families??? they're probably all friggin inbreds!!
There was the hypothesis thrown about that you may be crazy...i don't know and don't care. You may well be ...at the end of the day we're looking at how you're being treated and what you can do to improve YOUR situation. If in your hearts of hearts you feel you may have been feeling paranoid and generally mentally tired from your life in the org then get the help you need by seeing a therapist. It's not unusual for that to happen. BUT STILL LEAVE THE ORG!! it will only worsen any condition you may be feeling. You may want to see an analyst even if you are feeling stable...;sometimes the org warps our thinking so much over such a slow dragged out process that we think in one way and an analyst can actually help u see a situation for what it's really worth. All that can come from it is healing and i think you need some whether you are the one to blame for this strange behavior or they are.
Please see my post as one who is just focusing on you and do not think i am insensitive to the details of the situation. I can't know what the truth is and won't try to figure it out i am just looking at the situation from the point of view that you have expressed.
hope i may have helped you even in a little way.
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What's The Best Country or Area To Live In???
by minimus inif you could live anywhere-----what would your choice be?
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Is Your Personality Quite Different In "Real" Life Than It Is Here?
by minimus inare you pretty much the same here as you are in real life??
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i speak out more here than i do in real life....i'm a bit shy about my opinions in real life. i keep to myself more in that sense.but since it's a forum for discussion it's only normal to have a voice.
i'm also less sensitive here. people's opinions don't really phase me. i feel it's like a game, if u can't take it u can't play. i did get heated once though, then i laughed at myself thinking i had been pretty silly.
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Why do we have to talk about what happened to us?
by wanderlustguy ini just watched reign over me.
adam sandler has come a long way as an actor, and i thought he did very well portraying the feelings someone has who keeps the pain of emotional tragedy inside.
i'll never feel ok about all the damage caused by me when i was at my worst.. the movie also made me think about me and my relationships and us as a group of people affected by something so tragic in some cases.
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is that the movie with don cheadle as well? i missed that one.
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Pass Good Information through name of Jesus... Amin
by faith in hatyai thailand indear brother and sister,.
this information i want to share you, if you are good runner or regular walk five km daily, you must avoid eat high fiber food, because this is cause for runners diarrhoea., like banana, bran cereals lettuce, broccoli.
and you need eat every two days a time, nuts, spaghetti, meatless spaghetti , low fat salad dressing, and try to eat every neight large carbohyderate meal.. must avoid high fiber food before 48 hours if you plans to long run.. great values, take care the name of jesus amin.. .
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high fiber foods cause diarrhea....that's new