if the meetings make you physically ill you should try by all means to fade out.
i developped panic attacks while a JW because of the insanity i felt of all i was hearing and that was going on. I told one of my friend in the hall " why do i feel brainwashed?" and she replied cause you probably are.....very odd indeed that she would say that.
but anyways just before leaving i started developing an anxiety disorder feeling dizzy and sweating during the talks especially when it regarded persecution.
now i have to make special efforts to not let anxiety take over where before it was something i didnt' suffer from.
i may have been so affected because i believed in it so much. where it seems you don't at all. But i would still say that your having to put up with this poisons your mind because you have to waste precious time parading and teaching people something that is untrue and dangerous. That plays on your conscience and acts adversely on your psyche.
What are your thoughts on this?
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How bad can it get?
by TooBad TooSad inat the watchtower study sunday a comment was made that "we must stop focusing our efforts and energies.
on this old dying system and focus our energies on life in paradise so near at hand.
were many nodding heads in full agreement with this tid bit of insanity.
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Experiences of bethelites from around the world
by ldrnomo init would be nice to hear from former bethelites from around the world.
there stories while they were at bethel good or bad..
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Mixed Race Couples - WTS literature
by TheListener inhas anyone ever seen a mixed race couple shown in paradise in the wts literature?.
i haven't.
i've seen pictures of modern day mixed race couples but never ever in paradise..
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our race is meek and teachable?? is that what i'm really reading? i'm better at sports than academic studies. I have good rhythm. I have an unusual sexual appettite (or did i still that stereotype from the jews?) i am meek. i am teachable. because i am coloured. that is actually the thought of a lot of brothers in the french congregation in america and italy because we mostly preached to africans. In italy At each assembly a brother had to give a speacial part telling the brothers why they can't use the informal form of speech with Africans while speaking politely to white italians. why they couldn't shout out to them HEY MOHAMMED or ALI BABA (when his real name was not those of course)or HEY MY FRIEND giving them a big ol' tap on the shoulder. Why they couldn't assume any person of colour was automatically african even if they said they were american or british or french. they felt they didn't have to jump through hoops to preach to africans. they just had to use the intellectually insulting speech of the require brochure and that's it. When the householder was not convinced he was ridiculed and behind his back called an 'intellectual' who let his italian university education get to his head. They were so condescending to africans in the territorry i was embarassed to walk around with them and insult these people with whom i share a common background.
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Mixed Race Couples - WTS literature
by TheListener inhas anyone ever seen a mixed race couple shown in paradise in the wts literature?.
i haven't.
i've seen pictures of modern day mixed race couples but never ever in paradise..
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oooooh well one good thing came out of seeing this post--->the ad for 'mixed chicks hair products' at the top of the page.totally checking that out later!
Question From Reader: oh dear governing body. what is the society's position on curly, kinky, afro, frizzy hair?
Answer: any spiritually minded person knows that the only case in which one of jehovah's followers may sport a negro *coughs*....colored *coughs* ....ethnic hairstyle is if you are an elderly sister with a bad perm.*
as we can see in verse 106 through 118 of 5th letter of the corinthians: '......white.........................is.....right'.
*don't mean to disrespect but i felt like elderly sisters could have the craziest haircolor or style and never got taken aside for the little 'we don't want to reflect the world' chat. -
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Mixed Race Couples - WTS literature
by TheListener inhas anyone ever seen a mixed race couple shown in paradise in the wts literature?.
i haven't.
i've seen pictures of modern day mixed race couples but never ever in paradise..
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good point bbdodger....in some countries despite the growing immigrant population they still don't have many commercials representing that population.
I AM MIXED AND I AM FURIOUS AT THAT QFR.
i remember going with my (white) father to an assembly. i must have been one of the only black person there and next to my dad sat an african man and my dad said to him "why don't you ever put mixed couples in your publications?" and the man said he was not a witness but felt the same way so they both hounded some other poor brother during the break and i felt so bad for him.
I can't believe the society's answer. the society wrote that you should forego marrying the love of your life so racist jack@$$e$ in your area could more easily listen to your preaching!!! First you should not love anyone who is not of your faith period. next marrying someone of another race depends if your conscience allows you or something???
I was in france once at the dinner table with a laod of witnesses talkign about how if they weren't witnesses they would vote LePen. I was shocked well they said 'you see what's going on here with the arabs." :O
and then said "don't you have the same problems with blacks in america?"
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Do you really want to save us?
by nvrgnbk inthis is for the christians.. let's put our swords away.. try to convince those of us that have lost our faith to accept jesus christ and all that that acceptance entails.. pretend that our lives( eternal) depend on it.. that's what you believe isn't it?.
this is an opportunity to win souls for christ.. yes.
things may get heated.
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to ninja before being a witness i believed...while a witnes i started to doubt....now that i'm out i'm almost an atheist.
The JWs need to have an answer for everything to the point that things become sterile. when i think about god now it hurts. when i think he may not exist i feel relieved. that means there is a reason why all these bad things are happening. The justification of his name doctrine is bs to me. if he is GOD and he is LOVING he doesn't need to do that.
it's hard for me now that i was deceived by the JWs to put my faith in anything else that regards god. by dfing me brothers have allowed me for the first time in my life to be on my own and use logic and reasoning.
1) that has led me to believe that the creator which calls himself the personification of love cannot allow the evil things that are happening everyday on this planet.And therefore most likely does not exist.
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I know why the end didn't come yet.....
by JH init,s because god is waiting for us all to go back, then the end will come.. ok, who will go back first?
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JH you go.....i'm right behind you! :)
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just sent final email to my 'best friend'
by 4digitcode ini'm so drained emotionally from it but i did it.
i learned a few days ago through her ex worldly boyfriend that she had told him she tries to email me but i don't answer, she called me and i hung up (all things she has done tome in the past 9 months that i have been trying to get in touch with her).
she told him i had gone crazy and moved to italy and no one knew where i was and i was not talking to my jw mom anymore ( i moved to italy for almost 3 years to work, study and learn italian and my mom is not a jw!!!!!!
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hello by the sea and thank you for your reply. i am df'ed and so no worries there. for a year almost have been talking to some witnesses that were friends of mine before. and in the case of my friend i had tried to contact her, call her, send her emails never discussing anything about the religion. i had even told one of our mutual friends that her whole support system was in the truth and it would be hard for her if she ever really understood what was really going on.
i never even dropped subtle hints with her but after having heard all of that i couldn't keep quiet. it was like a warning from me: leave before it's too late and you can't tell the reality from your lies.
my boyfriend read the letter and told me that even though it was angry he could tell how much i loved her. i had never meant to shove it all at her at once but then again i feel it had to be all or nothing. if i sent her 1 email sowing doubt she would have blocked me before i had the chance to write anything else. same thing if i told her i now knew of her lies. she would have probably blocked me to protect herself from her shame.
i did it and now wether it's right or wrong it's done. but i thank you for your insight and i will make sure if any other still witness friends get in touch with me and express doubt to be very gentle in the way i make them aware of what i now know. thank you. -
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just sent final email to my 'best friend'
by 4digitcode ini'm so drained emotionally from it but i did it.
i learned a few days ago through her ex worldly boyfriend that she had told him she tries to email me but i don't answer, she called me and i hung up (all things she has done tome in the past 9 months that i have been trying to get in touch with her).
she told him i had gone crazy and moved to italy and no one knew where i was and i was not talking to my jw mom anymore ( i moved to italy for almost 3 years to work, study and learn italian and my mom is not a jw!!!!!!
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just sent final email to my 'best friend'
by 4digitcode ini'm so drained emotionally from it but i did it.
i learned a few days ago through her ex worldly boyfriend that she had told him she tries to email me but i don't answer, she called me and i hung up (all things she has done tome in the past 9 months that i have been trying to get in touch with her).
she told him i had gone crazy and moved to italy and no one knew where i was and i was not talking to my jw mom anymore ( i moved to italy for almost 3 years to work, study and learn italian and my mom is not a jw!!!!!!
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thanks pops