could anyone tell me a little bit about the man and his book?
is it worth reading?
it's not listed in the free minds catalog.
ZaZAWitts and DocBob
Thank you both for the information. Bill Cetnar and his wife live close to me. I've only heard vague references to them as "apostates." Since the UN deal I've been glued to this computer, reading and finding out how many ways I've been deceived over the years. Something like finding our spouse has cheated on us, suddenly every phone call or scrap of paper takes on new meaning.
FreeFallin'
could anyone tell me a little bit about the man and his book?
is it worth reading?
it's not listed in the free minds catalog.
Could anyone tell me a little bit about the man and his book? Is it worth reading? Also where can I get it. It's not listed in the Free Minds catalog. Thank you in advance.
Free Fallin'
anyone got any stupid questions they were asked or things that happened as a witness?.
when i was at school, a kid asked me "if you don't celebrate birthdays, how do you know how old you are?".
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Being told by my x sis-in-law's mother that "Jehovah didn't create the little children, Jesus did." This is the same woman who refused to believe that artificial insemination was used on women and not just farm animals!
today is the anniversary of my only sister's suicide four years ago.
she was 38. i've had a candle lit for her all day long.
i've been playing her favorite songs...livin' on a prayer by bon jovi.
Dear April,
I am deeply sorry for your loss and the life you both had to live.
i'm assuming by now every jw knows that the watchtower was associated with the un (altho they may not know about the current disassociation).
i've heard it said that they were merely registered with the un to aid in the preaching work.
how did they, or any individaul witness come to that conclusion.
I'm assuming by now every JW knows that the Watchtower was associated with the UN (altho they may not know about the current disassociation)
I've heard it said that they were merely registered with the UN to aid in the preaching work. How did they, or any individaul witness come to that conclusion. Was there a letter read at the meetings or is this just private interpretation?
seems to me there are mainly three roads most of us have taken.
1.we did something "wrong" and were disfellowshipped and after felt able to look at the society in a different light.. 2.we didn't like the "truth" and were looking for a way out.. 3.we wanted it to be the truth but were overcome by the mountain of evidence against it.. which is the most common i wonder.. also do our motives play a large part in how we deal with information criticising the org.. without a reason to act information seems useless.. for instance if a person feels he has nothing to gain by leaving the org will he read different things into the same info as us?.
i think so and that all who leave must have a reason to do so, something to gain.. this does not make their reasoning wrong or prove they we are looking for just excuse.. but is a normal way in which humans deals with information.. two humans can have the same information but if they want or desire different things they may use the information differently.. maybe thats wht so many say "where else is there to go?
#4
just a question.
what stops the boys in crooklyn from simply saying: "look, we don't know why so & so filled out this form to become a ngo.
we, the governing body didn't know about it and as soon as we did we removed outselves from association with the un.
When the irrefutable evidence is produced that they did indeed disassociate themselves from the UN, after being associated for 10 years, I think they will claim they did so because of all the distress is was causing the brothers, and although the association was for the "preaching of the good news throughout the inhabited earth" their support of UN ideals is causing "a stumbling" and for that reason they are leaving.
Bullshit!
(sorry for the long, run-on sentence.)
i spoke to a friend this morning who is a sister.
she asked her po last night about the un issue.
his first response was where did you get your information?
And I think when they are finally backed into a corner with evidence that they were associated, then disassociated, they will claim disassociation on the pretext of "not wanting to stumble the brothers" on such a matter. I am sick.
ok... i want to try to read the bible from cover to cover.
what are anyone's recommendations for an unbiased,easy to read translation.
i read on another site that the nwt is flawed.
OK... I want to try to read the bible from cover to cover. What are anyone's recommendations for an UNBIASED,EASY TO READ translation. I read on another site that the NWT is flawed. Thank you for any help you can give.
one of my closest friends in all the world is someone i'll call m. m is in her mid-thirties and was raised a jw from infancy but is one no longer.
her parents are still very jw... her dad is a very high profile, respected elder in a large american city.
they are both cool people... i've sat and had long talks with both of them about subjects having nothing to do with 'the truth.
My eyes are so filled with tears, I can hardly see to type. That was one of the most moving stories I've ever read. How often I wish I could curl up in my mother or fathers's arms, But they're both gone now. I still dream that I'm in their farmhouse, and when I wake up, it's to a feling of emptyness.
How I wish I could change the last year of my father's life. If only I could have crawled into his sick bed and told him how much I truly,tryly loved him...In stead we spent his last days of him critizing my religion (he was catholic) and me trying to feebly defend "the truth." How much I wish I had gone to his 75th Birthday party,attended by over 100 people, but his only daughter wasn't there.
I felt it was "wrong." Right now I can't stop sobbing.
