Posts by wherehasmyhairgone

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Although you may not practise any religion anymore do you......

by JH in

although you may not practise any religion anymore do you still defend what the bible says to your best, when someone of another faith says something you know is completely false...

wherehasmyhairgone

Yes i have to do this all the time. My step children go to a Christian school ( so naturally i have the Darwin fish on the back of the car). But i quite enjoy using their own bible against them. My favorite scripture is about twisting the scriptures for your own ends, although the verse escapes me at the moment, but i use that one quite a lot. Steve

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Do you suffer from RELIGIOUS HYPOCHONDRIA???

by Terry in

healthy people don't go to a doctor.

if they do they are hypochondriacs.

hypochondriacs spend their time and money on imagined illnesses.

wherehasmyhairgone

With due respect may I offer this link to a google video link

Neil degrasse Tyson, who hosts the nova science series and is one of the brightest guys around when it comes to space and all that is big. Neil gives a excellant overview of nature and the universe

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=275693092937060684&q=Session+2+-+Beyond+Belief&total=20&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

One thing he bring up is when we reach the limit of our understanding, when science reaches its current limits of understanding.

regards

steve

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Alternate dates

by wherehasmyhairgone in

i am wondering as the wts is so keen on making 'times and half a time' apply to this and that scripture, i am wondering if anyone else has had the energy need to use 'biblical supposed prophecy times that are completely different, like 607 dogma, can it be made different to arrive at a point in history that could be claimed similar calamities.. .

i am not sure how clear i am making myself.. has anyone used dating within the bible to arrive at dates about the end of the world or armageddon before the 20th century.

and references would be great.. steve.

wherehasmyhairgone

They've all interpreted the numbers in a myriad of ways to come up with many other intelligible dates. Check out the date 1799 for the beginning of the time of the end that Russell and the Adventists before him used

Thats some great information , thanks. It certainly gives me a starting point.

regards

steve

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Do you suffer from RELIGIOUS HYPOCHONDRIA???

by Terry in

healthy people don't go to a doctor.

if they do they are hypochondriacs.

hypochondriacs spend their time and money on imagined illnesses.

wherehasmyhairgone

It seems to me that many who post here think religion is the big evil. As far as I'm concerned, human nature being what it is, some charlatan will come along and prey on those with problems in any case. If they don't do it in the name of religion, it will be politics, pseudo science or medicine or something else.

I actually agree with you .

The only point i will make is the other stands you mention ( politics etc) is something that can be debated out, but when you have someone claiming their are doing the will of an almighty God, you have little to debate on.

As long as we fuel human nature will the idea that somehow some almighty god is talking to them and more importantly talking these people seriously, then religion is a big evil.

And on a side side the other reason i subscribe to this way of thinking is the effect it has on children. Now being a JW board i will not mention no JW related issues of how children are brought up, but JW teach their children that certain lifestyles are wrong and discriminate on that basis alone. Also the JW religion are willing and bearing mind go to court to allow a religious belief rather than blood related medical treatments for their children.

And more importantly restrict their children access to science based information, rejecting evolution on evidence grounds fair enough, you have research it yourself, rejecting evolution on religious grounds is breeding ignorance.

steve

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Do you suffer from RELIGIOUS HYPOCHONDRIA???

by Terry in

healthy people don't go to a doctor.

if they do they are hypochondriacs.

hypochondriacs spend their time and money on imagined illnesses.

wherehasmyhairgone

life after death is outside of the physical world

Says who?, this is a religious statement, which is unprovable in any means, as we live in a material universe. Science can actually answer this question easily, there is NO evidence for life after death, nothing has been observed or recording showing anything leaves the body at death.

If one wanted to maintain this statement then you have to also consider that on death, the person is re-born into a another body, or insect, that the persons so-called spirit turns into marshmallows.

Also i would suggest that even non-direct evidence could be made available to use in our material universe, why has no one ever come back from the dead to talk to us? and tell us what is like. simplest answer is their is no life after death, or to put it another way, life after death is about as likely as marshmallows being made from the spirits of dead people.

I think science can and does aanswer the purpose of life.

regards

steve

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Do you suffer from RELIGIOUS HYPOCHONDRIA???

by Terry in

healthy people don't go to a doctor.

if they do they are hypochondriacs.

hypochondriacs spend their time and money on imagined illnesses.

wherehasmyhairgone

First off Terry I agree with you 100%, secondly what i am about to say is a comment about myself not a comment about you or anyone else.

When i was a JW there was a saying that you should lock up the new JW for the first 18 months as they are bubbling. I think the same could be said about me when I first came to realise how hard religion and belief falls down if you put its claims to the test. I say how much damage was being done to people in general. The so-called benefit of religion are null.

That being said, when i stated to confront those who challenge why i believed that why my retort to them which was like pulling the rug out from underneath them was never met with open arms. There are so many way to approach this subject, by showing the damaging effects of religion, the paradox of God or gods, the evil within the OT. But when you pull something that has support people most of their lives , i dont think their is a way to gently hint to them, As much as I wince sometimes at the likes of Dawkins and hitchings, at least they cause debate, they almost force people to confront and prove the reason for their belief, which they are never able to do.

Arrogance is when you you believe something to which their is no evidence and criticizing someone for saying you are wrong. Maybe somewhere in future some evidence will surface to suggest a god, but until then, should be be accomadting for those that believe? well i guess the believers who think we should should ask themselves this question:

How much time would i give someone on this board who believed that fairies exist, or better yet believed they are the messiah, whatever your reply, bear in mind the evidence for either of these things is no less than that of a god existing.

Anyone that think Terry position is arrogant, please take time to read the following books

Death by black holes & Origins byNeil degrasse Tyson

god is not great by Christopher Hitchings

The bible.

If after reading those you still think of a single Christian god, come back and tell me .please.

Religion is an illusion of a social crutch, but anyone knows that saocial link is a false one, any ex-jw knows friendship only extends while you agree with them.

Sorry for the verbal diarrhea

Steve

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Alternate dates

by wherehasmyhairgone in

i am wondering as the wts is so keen on making 'times and half a time' apply to this and that scripture, i am wondering if anyone else has had the energy need to use 'biblical supposed prophecy times that are completely different, like 607 dogma, can it be made different to arrive at a point in history that could be claimed similar calamities.. .

i am not sure how clear i am making myself.. has anyone used dating within the bible to arrive at dates about the end of the world or armageddon before the 20th century.

and references would be great.. steve.

wherehasmyhairgone

I am wondering as the WTS is so keen on making 'times and half a time' apply to this and that scripture, I am wondering if anyone else has had the energy need to use 'biblical supposed prophecy times that are completely different, like 607 dogma, can it be made different to arrive at a point in history that could be claimed similar calamities.

I am not sure how clear i am making myself.

Has anyone used dating within the bible to arrive at dates about the end of the world or Armageddon before the 20th century. and references would be great.

Steve

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Death in the Bible

by Mrs. Witness in

this morning it occured to me how much death is in the bible.

just off the top of my head: cain & abel, the flood, the guy who was going to sacrifice his son (isaac?

), the slaughter at jericho, jesus (and that includes torture), and all the death in revelation.

wherehasmyhairgone

This was taken from a blog, from what i check this guy has it pretty much dead on ( pun intended). Thank Zeus its all fairly tales.

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/08/how-many-has-god-killed.html

So far I come up with a total of 2,270,365 (not inlcuding, at least in some cases, women and children).

	SAB, Brick Testament	Number Killed	Cummulative Total
Lot's wife for looking back	Gen.19:26, BT	1	1
Er who was "wicked in the sight of the Lord"	Gen.38:7, BT	1	2
Onan for spilling his seed	Gen.38:10, BT	1	3
For dancing naked around Aaron's golden calf	Ex.32:27-28, 35, BT	3000	3003
Aaron's sons for offering strange fire before the Lord	Lev.10:1-3, Num.3:4, 26:61, BT	2	3005
A blasphemer	Lev.24:10-23, BT	1	3006
A man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath	Num.15:32-36, BT	1	3007
Korah, Dathan, and Abiram (and their families)	Num.16:27, BT	12+	3019+
Burned to death for offering incense	Num.16:35, 26:10, BT	250	3269+
For complaining	Num.16:49, BT	14,700	17,969+
For "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab"	Num.25:9, BT	24,000	41,969+
Midianite massacre (32,000 virgins were kept alive)	Num.31:1-35, BT	90,000+	131,969+
God tells Joshua to stoned to death Achan (and his family) for taking the accursed thing.	Joshua 7:10-12, 24-26, BT	5+	131,974+
God tells Joshua to attack Ai and do what he did to Jericho (kill everyone).	Joshua 8:1-25, BT	12,000	143,974+
Joshua kills 5 kings and hangs their dead bodies on trees	Joshua 10:24-26, BT	5	143,979+
God delivered Canaanites and Perizzites	Judges 1:4, BT	10,000	153,979+
Ehud delivers a message from God: a knife into the king's belly	Jg.3:15-22, BT	1	153,980+
God delivered Moabites	Jg.3:28-29, BT	10,000	163,980+
God forces Midianite soldiers to kill each other.	Jg.7:2-22, 8:10, BT	120,000	283,980+
The Spirit of the Lord comes on Samson	Jg.14:19, BT	30	284,010+
The Spirit of the Lord comes mightily on Samson	Jg.15:14-15, BT	1000	285,010+
Samson's God-assisted act of terrorism	Jg.16:27-30, BT	3000	288,010+
"The Lord smote Benjamin"	Jg.20:35-37, BT	25,100	313,110+
More Benjamites	Jg.20:44-46	25,000	338,110+
For looking into the ark of the Lord	1 Sam.6:19	50,070	388,180+
God delivered Philistines	1 Sam.14:12	20	388,200+
Samuel (at God's command) hacks Agag to death	1 Sam.15:32-33	1	388,201+
"The Lord smote Nabal."	1 Sam.25:38	1	388,202+
Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling	2 Sam.6:6-7, 1 Chr.13:9-10	1	388,203+
David and Bathsheba's baby boy	2 Sam.12:14-18	1	388,204+
Seven sons of Saul hung up before the Lord	2 Sam.21:6-9	7	388,211+
From plague as punishment for David's census (men only; probably 200,000 if including women and children)	2 Sam.24:13, 1 Chr.21:7	70,000+	458,211+
A prophet for believing another prophet's lie	1 Kg.13:1-24	1	458,212+
God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites' hands	1 Kg.20:28-29	100,000	558,212+
God makes a wall fall on Syrian soldiers	1 Kg.20:30	27,000	585,212+
God sent a lion to eat a man for not killing a prophet	1 Kg.20:35-36	1	585,213+
Ahaziah is killed for talking to the wrong god.	2 Kg.1:2-4, 17, 2 Chr.22:7-9	1	585,214+
Burned to death by God	2 Kg.1:9-12	102	585,316+
God sends two bears to kill children for making fun of Elisha's bald head	2 Kg.2:23-24	42	585,348+
Trampled to death for disbelieving Elijah	2 Kg.7:17-20	1	585,349+
Jezebel	2 Kg.9:33-37	1	585,360+
God sent lions to kill "some" foreigners	2 Kg.17:25-26	3+	585,363+
Sleeping Assyrian soldiers	2 Kg.19:35, 2 Chr.32:21, Is.37:36	185,000	770,363+
Saul	1 Chr.10:14	1	770,364+
God delivers Israel into the hands of Judah	2 Chr.13:15-17	500,000	1,270,364+
Jeroboam	2 Chr.13:20	1	1,270,365+
"The Lord smote the Ethiopians."	2 Chr.14:9-14	1,000,000	2,270,365+
God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out	2 Chr.21:14-19	1	2,270,366+
Ezekiel's wife	Ezek.24:15-18	1	2,270,367+
Ananias and Sapphira	Acts 5:1-10	2	2,270,369+
Herod	Acts 12:23, BT	1	2,270,369+

This doesn't include the flood or S&G.

Interestly Satan has only killed 8 in the OT. So who is the moral one again.

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To believe or not believe...

by changeling in

that seems to be the question around here lately.. people's panties have been getting into quite a twist over this one.. personally, i don't believe.

but i'd like to put that aside and focus on something else.. i'd like to focus on: now what?.

what can we individually and collectively do to make this planet a better place to live?

wherehasmyhairgone

This is a funny thing that i have heard a number of times, and also found myself doing as well.

Since I threw out all the wool rubbish that is religious belief, i have found I am:

1) More tolerant of other people and their lifestyles

2) More Charitable

3) More environment aware

4) More of a desire to 'really' make a different

5) Read more books!

6) Better understanding of life and its origins

7) Planning for retirement more seriously now

8) will ensure my children get a better education and continue into Uni.

I have yet to come across a down side to have no religious belief anymore.

Steve

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If I was Satan.........

by beginnersmind in

the dragons post about wether satan was a hypocrite got me thinking.. .

if according to gen 3:15 and the prophecy thats supposed to mean satan was going to kill jesus (brusing in the heel) and then jesus is going to destroy satan (bruising in the head) that would mean satan would know at an early stage what his life would entail right?.

if i was satan (i'm not by the way) i might have 'looked' at this and other prophecies and decided i'm not going to help fulfill them.

wherehasmyhairgone

Satan: I challenge your rule!
God: Okay, you can have the chance to challenge it.
God: Oh, by the way, I've already seen the future, I win then I kill you.
God: Have fun!
Satan: Dammit!

Quote of the day!, I love it.