Posts by wherehasmyhairgone

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How to stump someone that believes the noah's flood happened.

by 5go in

one of the key peices of evidence that people sight to try to prove the flood happen is the fact the most cultures have a flood myth or story as they put it.. i was just watching a program that also points out the most, if not all cultures believe in dragons.

even cultures that evolve in isolation have beliefs in dragons and they are all simular though not the same.

just like the flood myth.. so if they believe the flood happened because so many cultures have flood stories.

wherehasmyhairgone

Moshe,

thanks for that link, I am going to get mine done.

BTW the Doc Rules!

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The power of witches and occultism

by greendawn in

many believe that the power of witches, male or female, to cause a great deal of harm and suffering by invoking the venomous power of the demons is an evident fact.

there are many stories of such activities going on, the casting of spells, enchantments and curses, harming humans in a psychological way through the use of these invisible powers.

some believe these are just fanciful ideas and fairy tales, the atheists have no option after all but to believe this.

wherehasmyhairgone

When i was a JW i certainly believed in the power of witchcraft, Satan and all the other stuff.

But after taking a careful look at what is really happening, none of this is true. I have had people convinced that i really can talk to their dead loves ones, even when i tell them its just entertainment. I have had people see ghostly figures and hear sounds and voices, all without one hookup to a demon.

I sometimes perform 'entertainment seances' for small house parties, and what look and feels very real, is just smoke and mirrors and a good imagination.

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How to stump someone that believes the noah's flood happened.

by 5go in

one of the key peices of evidence that people sight to try to prove the flood happen is the fact the most cultures have a flood myth or story as they put it.. i was just watching a program that also points out the most, if not all cultures believe in dragons.

even cultures that evolve in isolation have beliefs in dragons and they are all simular though not the same.

just like the flood myth.. so if they believe the flood happened because so many cultures have flood stories.

wherehasmyhairgone

Perry

Your using Answers in Genesis!.

Well that shows me that you are not in the least bit concern about the truth or even finding it out, but rather looking for anything written that backs up your personal view.

Answers in genesis is a joke my friend, they misquote, misrepresent, and promote ignorance.

If your just gonna copy and paste that dribble the write on that site, do us all a favour and just use links. Being a parrot for that site isn't going to do you any good.

by the way YC-Adam and M-Eve certainly didn't live at the same time, we are looking at tens of thousands of year apart. Guess that part needs faith. And they were certainly not alone.

AG pick and chooses its science facts, takes what seems tf it and discards the rest as flat out wrong, based solely on a faith/belief position.

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How to stump someone that believes the noah's flood happened.

by 5go in

one of the key peices of evidence that people sight to try to prove the flood happen is the fact the most cultures have a flood myth or story as they put it.. i was just watching a program that also points out the most, if not all cultures believe in dragons.

even cultures that evolve in isolation have beliefs in dragons and they are all simular though not the same.

just like the flood myth.. so if they believe the flood happened because so many cultures have flood stories.

wherehasmyhairgone

Ok so i have to bite at some of these replies.

ok first off

Perry's post

This ship had a crew that was almost twice as large as that of the largest aircraft carrier we have ever built! The size of the ship approximated the size of Noah’s Ark. Up to ten banks

First things first you are on about a ship built 2000 years later!. A wooden vessel without iron bracing will buckle of that size, (isn't there a navel ship architect on this board ,or am i thinking of another one). You mention all it had to do is stay water tight, like that isn't a major deal. Ask yourself this why has none of these religious nuts ark builder built an ark of equal size and floated it.. simple you can't unless you use technology that wasn't described in the account, or invented at this time.

I actually didn't missed the ventilation part, but i would humbly suggested you work out the sheer mechaincs of that many animals on the ark, cracks, would not cut it.

But your last comment summed it it, when all else fails invoke faith...faith by definition is belief in something with no evidence OR against the evidence.

So with Wood and pitch the ark wouldn't have floated, if he had used iron bracing maybe, but you still have the tremendous forces pushing against the ark in a flood environment, Look at recent floods, our modern vessel capsize and sink during these heavy weather patterns, yet a wooden ark floats!. Like you said... Its faith to believe that.

And the next one

t’s interesting that the observed evidence for rapid formation of ice layers is also ignored. This can be seen in the squadron of P-38 Lightning fighter planes and B–17 Flying Fortress bombers of WWII. On July 15, 1942 they had to make an emergency landing on a Greenland ice sheet. The planes were abandoned. Later in 1988 the planes were found buried under 250 feet of ice!1 Much ice core dating is based on the assumption that one layer equals one year, but we have seen that such layers can form rapidly and more than one per year.

Exactly how deep is one layer? you jumped from a description of layers to a measurement of ice. REAL scientists that date ice cores, are aware that layer will change in size, but this is accounted for, by using other dating. This whole WWII plane things has been destroyed so many times as a claim for flood evidence of multiple ice cores, I would suggest you research some peer reviewed papers from scientists not whack job like answers in genesis or god forbid the WTS information.

Creationist geologists

That's a funny expression, a geologist that sets out to find evidence to back his faith, what a good way to do science. Actually I would like to see your references for your assumptions and claims in your Krakatoa,( i am not disputing the incident) but animal suddely appeaing again? .

Therefore, since evolutionists believe all organisms came from a common ancestor, migration between Australia and other areas must be conceded as possible by all scientists, whether evolutionist or creationist.

i actually done understand your point here, no one is saying that australia didn't get populated by evolutionary stages that originated in Africa. But if the flood is right that this couldn't have happened, as the current seascape of australia wouldn't allow any animal crossing to that country at all.

The problem with the flood starts at the beginning and doesn't end, every step of the flood account goes against what we can prove, science has shown, so it comes down to ignoring the evidence and using faith to allow the flood story to be taken seriously still.

I have yet to see any evidence that back up the idea that a global flood happened in the last 4500 years. It has nothing to do with how you view the data. creationist ignore and misquote data to arrive at their so-called eveince for a flood.

Awakened07, that what i started out doing, set out to prove the science wrong , and ended up at the same conclusion you have

steve

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How to stump someone that believes the noah's flood happened.

by 5go in

one of the key peices of evidence that people sight to try to prove the flood happen is the fact the most cultures have a flood myth or story as they put it.. i was just watching a program that also points out the most, if not all cultures believe in dragons.

even cultures that evolve in isolation have beliefs in dragons and they are all simular though not the same.

just like the flood myth.. so if they believe the flood happened because so many cultures have flood stories.

wherehasmyhairgone

Answers in Genesis shows me how far people are prepared to go to try and justify some of things in the bible.

Classic subjects they have covered are, (on topic) Dragons really existed, yes including fire breathing ones!, that the T-Rex probably breathed fire, and the list goes on.

Another things with Answers in Genesis, is that references are often so misquoted, and simple by finding their reference claims, you can see how they twist the truth and take items out of context.

( Jack) As far as the coal seams under the arctic ( and i not sure if JCannon meant those) that still doesn't show a global flood. I agree 100% that the arctic climate has been every different over the course of time.

Back to the flood thing, i can remember being on a JW's tour of the history museum down in London, and the guide (being a witness) stated that the size of the history museum was about the same size as the ark, and said, look how easy it would have been to fit every kind of animal in. Of course he failed to see (or accept) that a wooden structure of that size

1. Can't float

2, wouldn't hold enough food for the animals

3. 8 people on an ark couldn't have maintained that many animals

4. with the description of the ark, methane would have killed everyone one board

5. all 8 people on board who have had to been carrying all the known virus today, flu, cold, etc etc

And finally the ice cores of Greenland show NO traces of a flood event in the last 40,000 years.

Of course you could always invoke and miracle at every stumbling block. :-)

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How to stump someone that believes the noah's flood happened.

by 5go in

one of the key peices of evidence that people sight to try to prove the flood happen is the fact the most cultures have a flood myth or story as they put it.. i was just watching a program that also points out the most, if not all cultures believe in dragons.

even cultures that evolve in isolation have beliefs in dragons and they are all simular though not the same.

just like the flood myth.. so if they believe the flood happened because so many cultures have flood stories.

wherehasmyhairgone

Interesting. I gave up discussing issues about the Flood when I found out the ice cores used to introduce millions of years of chronology were standing on top of tropical vegetation on the floor of the Antartica. That's enough global flood evidence/indication for me.

references?

How on earth is that evidence for a global flood,

And your statement for ice core dating is misleading, ice cores are one of a number of different methods used for dating our very old earth.

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How to stump someone that believes the noah's flood happened.

by 5go in

one of the key peices of evidence that people sight to try to prove the flood happen is the fact the most cultures have a flood myth or story as they put it.. i was just watching a program that also points out the most, if not all cultures believe in dragons.

even cultures that evolve in isolation have beliefs in dragons and they are all simular though not the same.

just like the flood myth.. so if they believe the flood happened because so many cultures have flood stories.

wherehasmyhairgone

A lot of archeological evidence points to a great flood of global effects.
Now whether it was world wide is another story. How do you explain wooly mammoths in Siberia with vegetation in their mouth?
How do you explain sea creatures fossils in the desserts of the USA?
Also the chest on Ararat so high in elevation?

With all due respect there is NO archeological evidence for a great flood at all.

Wooly mammouths in siberia and vegetation in their mouth is a HUGLY misquoted sitution

Please check this site, and more importanly its references its quotes, all are from peer reviewed and repuatuable sources.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html#CH400-CH599

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/canopy.html

The flood is myth, maybe built from a very localized flood yes, but they effects you quoted wouldn't even exisited if a world wide flood had happened.

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How to stump someone that believes the noah's flood happened.

by 5go in

one of the key peices of evidence that people sight to try to prove the flood happen is the fact the most cultures have a flood myth or story as they put it.. i was just watching a program that also points out the most, if not all cultures believe in dragons.

even cultures that evolve in isolation have beliefs in dragons and they are all simular though not the same.

just like the flood myth.. so if they believe the flood happened because so many cultures have flood stories.

wherehasmyhairgone

I always thought that the fact we still have fresh and salt water fish a very good argument for the flood never happening. niether can survie in each other habit, so a big world wide flood, would have mixed the waters.

Also how did the animals in Oz land get there?, Noah make a stop on the way home?

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Hundreds of Proofs of Gods Existence

by erynw in

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/links/godproof.htm.

wtb&ts follows #13 & #27 .

my favorites: #34, #50, #87, 284, and best of all #281 .

wherehasmyhairgone

Just think about it!! The SUPREME living being in the entire universe and you have to think up a list of reasons which might indicate he exists!!

Love that comment. Have used similar ones my self a few times, but that is definitely word better.

Serotonin made a good comment, I think there is HUGE confusion about evolution from certainly JW's viewpoints. After being a JW's for most of my life, it was a real eye opener when i first actually looked at evolution for myself, not thru the horrendous and misleading creation book. So much so, i just though that the information i had been research was wrong and the creation book was still right. Those who accept creation as fact, need to spend the time to discover what the evidence really says, and that does take time, and that what thw WTS bank on, that you won't be bothered to check out the facts yourself.

e.g about a year ago, the Awake had Dr. Behe interviewed (one of the leaders of ID) they are that desperate to bring in this clown to try and give some backing to the idea of creation. Behe has himself admitted in his latest book, evolution happens! man evolved from apes!.

There is no other theory out there of how we came to be ( creation is not a theory), there is NO evidence for creation..period.

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How accurate can the Bible really be?

by Snoozy in

how accurate can the bible really be?

i am losing faith that it is accurate at all.. according to an article i read in our paper today they are now saying in translation there are no english words to match every word...so the scripture that say "peace on earth and goodwill towards all men " should really be " peace on earth to all men of goodwill ".. now if they can screw something that simple up..what else in the bible have they screwed up?.

snoozy....

wherehasmyhairgone

Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see

I would actually go further and use what faith really is by definition.

Faith is a belief of things that there is no evidence for, or in the face of available evidence.

Faith asks you to put aside any question and reason or logic, and blindly accept a statement or follow an idea. Faith is probably the most dangerous standpoint we have ever made as a species, and yet in a Christian view faith is a virtue, whihc in itself is relative, as faith is only a virtue if you agree with a with what every view point faith is needed, if you have a 'faith based' view point that is against a dogma, then you are an 'evil class' or apostate or blinded!

Kind of ironic really