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  ARE YOU PREPARED FOR DISASTER?

  by tula in

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  living simple: .

  self-sustaining, frugal, green, bohemian, and having emergency back-up plans.. i am not talking about the big a. .

  your disaster could be a financial setback.

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  A Year Round Food Supply for the cost of a few stamps

  Yep. you heard right.

  There are some seed and plant exchange websites on the internet and also in some of the gardening magazines. It's all swap...no money involved. I have gotton some really excellent trades and some wonderful plants.

  When I started out, I didn't have much to trade. I helped a friend with some yard work and she let me have her seeds from 4 o'clocks and the milkweeds. I collected seeds from trees in a local park. I clipped little snips of jasmine from the mall parking lot. I found various plants in public places and would get a handful of seeds when I could. If I didn't know what the plant was, I would look it up in a wildflower or tree book.

  One of the easiest books to use for identification is the North American Field Guide series. You can look it up according to color, or leaf shape, tree shape, fruit or berry, shape or color.

  People trade for seeds, cuttings, rooted plants and trade for likewise. One of the best internet forums is gardenweb.

  On trades alone I now have several fruit trees that are a good size and lots of heirloom vegetable seeds, as well as flowers for butterflies, and herbs, catnip for my cat...

  If I can't find what I want on a trade basis, I will order from a wholesale ccompany. You pay about the same price for 1/4 lb of seeds as you would for a retail package of 50 seeds.

  Not only will you have plenty of food that has not been irradiated and processed. If your produce is abundant you can sell or trade to friends and neighbors for cash or barter. Good to have some back up assets, what with the dollar being so rapidly devalued.

  EVERYBODY HAS SPACE FOR A SIDEWALK SALAD!!!

  
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  A CALL TO ACTION: HIGH PRIORITY

  by Wingman in

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  hi everyone,.

  a letter has been prepared by anonymous brothers to be sent to bodies of elders around the world.. of course this is a massive undertaking and we are asking for assistance from active and inactive ones around the world who share the sentiments of the letters contents.. your participation in this action indicates your sincere desire to see change within the organization that has become authoritarian in recent years.. we ask that the letter be addressed to "the body of elders" in each respective congregation.. please do not add any further information or commentary.. we are also relying on non-english speaking brothers to translate and distribute this letter.. it will not matter if more than one letter is received by each congregation.

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  very soon, some of our friends on the board who are still "in" can play the fly on the wall. Hopefully, they will hear some murmurings among the crowd and let us know.

  Can't wait!
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  Studying To Save Lives Again!

  by KnowlegeSeeker_UK in

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  i have served as a jw since 1986, im now nearly 30 yrs old.

  i pioneered, i served at bethel then i read the bible............. oh !

  hang on..... something doesnt seem right.

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  Hi and welcome.

  I have a family member who was a nurse. She gave up her profession when she became a JW and went out door-knocking.

  I tried so hard to tell her....if you REALLY want to help people...and you really want to give away your time to something charitable...why don't you go and innoculate the babies in third world countries?

  I tried so hard to tell her that she had a great capacity to help people in the profession she had chosen.

  But she was already brainwashed by then, I guess. I imagine many JWs misconstrue the advice and good intentions of others to mean "more persecution, I must be doing the right thing."

  What branch of medicine are you considering?
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  I just had the channel 7 news in my living room

  by cyd0099 in

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  i reported a scam email ("the irs has a rebate for me") to the seattle kiro news website and they taped an interview with me.

  i've never been interviewed like this before.

  shoulda had my copy of coc in the background...

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  Enjoy the visuals on this too. I bet this is something you all missed.

  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6146805369663939987&q=woodstock+everybody+is+a+star&total=5&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
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  +++ VIGIL - TUESDAY 30TH OCTOBER +++

  by Sad emo in

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  please join us in sending your prayers, good thoughts, reiki, healing vibes, lighting a candle or just taking a moment to think of all those named and unnamed who are fighting cancer or in any other need.

  also their loved ones and caregivers.. hugs, peace and healing to you all!.

  dansk (ian) - has been fighting mantle cell lymphoma for three years.

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  Thinking of you all.

  Be brave, and never loose your smile or your laughter on the journey.
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  A Premise to Sue the WBTS

  by tula in

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  "when the government puts its imprimatur on a particular religion it conveys a message of exclusion to all those who do not adhere to the favored beliefs.

  a government cannot be premised on the belief that all persons are created equal when it asserts that god prefers some.

  " supreme court justice harry a. blackmun in the lee v. weisman ruling,1992.. .

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  Harms associated with cultic groups have been addressed through various forms of self-help, conservatorship, habeas corpus proceedings, consumer protection legislation, and litigation. First Amendment concerns loom large in such remedies. This paper reviews three important instances of litigation: Molko v. Holy Spirit Association, George v. International Society for Krishna Consciousness, and Wollersheim v. Church of Scientology. These and other cases indicate that self-proclaimed religious organizations are heading towards a time of greater accountability. Juries tend to be sympathetic toward plaintiffs, though courts seem unwilling to enforce judgments so large they threaten a group's existence.

  It's not just the JWs and the problem is bigger than you think!!!

  The cult problem, however, is ongoing and ever-growing, and remains a threat to America's young people. One anti-cult organization estimates that there are more than 2,500 cults and other "destructive totalist" organizations now active in the United States, and these groups control approximately six million members. [2]

  Combating the cults presents its own problems. Those seeking to hold cults accountable for their actions against individual members inevitably clash with the cults' assertion of their fundamental right to religious liberty. The courts have tackled these competing interests in several recent cases with results that may give hope to critics of cult groups. But the battles are far from over.

  Psychiatrist Robert J. Lifton describes eight basic characteristics of brainwashing in his study of Chinese totalitarian control: "Milieu Control, Mystical Manipulation, Demand for Purity, Cult of Confession, Sacred Science, Loading of Language, Doctrine Over Person, and Dispensing of Existence. [9] These elements are accepted by cult experts as being applicable to modern cults, and the Lifton model of brainwashing is currently used by attorneys pursuing cults in formulating statements of fact and educating the court. [10]

  The newer programs attack a person's self-image, sense of reality and of existence, making the individual feel personally defective. "Alter the self or perish" is the motto. [13] Once fundamental coping mechanisms are tampered with or stripped away, psychosis can result.
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  half-way house for ex-Jdubs

  by tula in

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  this chart is out of date and i am wondering if anyone can find more contemporary statistics?.

  i am wondering if there is some way possible for wbts to be billed for medical expenses caused by the psychological harm inflicted when dubs end up in dr. offices or hospital as a result of spiritual trauma and spiritual warfare?.

  seems to me that we could make them take some responsibility.. (i am not providing the link because this is second-hand information).

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  Most people who have come away from a cult experience, family and friends of cult victims, and experts in behavioral science familiar with cultism agree that mind control techniques sustained even for short periods of time can cause damage to a person's social, physiological, and psychological well-being. If not interrupted, drastic (and sometimes pathological) changes in personality occur and are potentially irreversible. Even if the encounter with such programs of manipulation is brief and exit from them successful, the experience can ruin lives. Apart from these dangers, experts suggest a real threat to society exists in the form of harm to the family relationship, espousal of illegal and harmful practices, and a potential for violence. [14]

  http://www.csj.org/infoserv_articles/van_hoey_sara_cults_in_court.htm
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  A Premise to Sue the WBTS

  by tula in

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  "when the government puts its imprimatur on a particular religion it conveys a message of exclusion to all those who do not adhere to the favored beliefs.

  a government cannot be premised on the belief that all persons are created equal when it asserts that god prefers some.

  " supreme court justice harry a. blackmun in the lee v. weisman ruling,1992.. .

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  Jst2laws...boy am I glad to see you are still around and lurking! Glad this post called you out of the woodwork. I know you have been through the laws forward and backward and many ordeals. I read all your postings a good while back. You are quite the warrior. Hope you'll check back as I may be adding questions to this thread. Thanks.

  for Uzzah:

  Suits based on disclosure of confidential information.
  Recently a church member brought suit claiming that his pastor had revealed confidential information about him when announcing disciplinary action against him for divisiveness. The court ruled against the man because it could establish that he had consented to subject himself to discipline at the time he became a church member. Nonetheless, a church can expose itself to charges of invasion of privacy and infliction of emotional distress by making public information that should be kept private.

  What I do wonder is this:

  By engaging in the attempt of "thought reform" and in so doing, counseling minors, could this not be considered practicing psychology without license or adequate training? Would this not be child endangerment from a psychological standpoint?

  I am also looking for any research studies that can verify that their tactics and their methods inflict extreme emotional distress and psychological duress and can and have lead to a number of mental illnesses by inflicting such harm.
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  A Premise to Sue the WBTS

  by tula in

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  "when the government puts its imprimatur on a particular religion it conveys a message of exclusion to all those who do not adhere to the favored beliefs.

  a government cannot be premised on the belief that all persons are created equal when it asserts that god prefers some.

  " supreme court justice harry a. blackmun in the lee v. weisman ruling,1992.. .

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  "When the government puts its imprimatur on a particular religion it conveys a message of exclusion to all those who do not adhere to the favored beliefs. A government cannot be premised on the belief that all persons are created equal when it asserts that God prefers some." Supreme Court Justice Harry A. Blackmun in the Lee v. Weisman ruling,1992.

  So why hasn't anybody done anything to further this?

  Three of the most significant cases regarding ex-cult members and their families pursuing remedies in tort for damages have been decided in California in the last two years. These cases show that the legal arguments for restricting cult activities are having an impact on the courts.

  For the first time a major court, without having to face the "brainwashing" issue as a cause of action, has accepted the premise that religious indoctrination can cause potential converts to lose the free exercise of their will and, in consequence, can sue for damages. [35] This represents a major coup for future plaintiffs in similar actions, particularly in light of the court's analysis of the First Amendment issues and its reliance on the work of Lifton, Delgado, Schein and Singer in making important distinctions within that analysis.

  http://www.csj.org/infoserv_articles/van_hoey_sara_cults_in_court.htm
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  Why I am going to HELL....and what did YOU do?!?!

  by oompa in

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  anonymity is a good thing.

  i have never told anyone this and it bothered me really bad for a long time.

  leading a double life at an early age as a jw probably is an indication that you are really not going to buy into the program.

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  There was a sparkly broach on the lapel. I took it. I found a small white gift box and put it in it. I gave it to Karen.

  That's pretty bad, oompa.

  Did you know that you caused that sister to doubt her own mind?

  She became very upset and wondered how she could have lost it and wondered if she misplaced it.

  She became so paranoid that she wondered if senility was setting in at an early age. She visited numerous doctors after that looking to see if her mental failings could be genetic.

  Several in the family had alzheimers and it frightened her terribly that she was headed that way. She thought loosing track of things is how it starts.

  The loss of that sentimenal brooch...which had been passed down from her favorite aunt also caused her to become obsessive/compulsive. She was always double and triple checking everything like to make sure she had locked the doors, or turned off the iron. She was nuts later on in life. And it all began with that day...when she lost the brooch. When she wears jewelry now, everytime she moves, or gets up, she pulls at her ears to see if her earrings are still there.

  She has now become very neurotic and blames the gremlins. (not too far off the bat, looking at you)

  Even though she is a JW she has sought the help of priests to exercise her house of the gremlins. An old voodoo woman came in last week to throw salt in all the corners of her house to scare off the haints.

  She is nuts now. You never realize how much damage just a small sin like that can cause.

  Wealthy you say? She lost all her wealth over the next few years paying for doctors and meds for her imagined diminished mental capacity.

  Now, go wear some scratchy wool clothes in summer and do penance!