Why is it fear for one's own well being the lowest common denominator for so many "spiritual" people, or at least why try to motivate on that basis? Isn't there supposed to be something about altruistic love in there? So what if you live forever but remain everlastingly neurotic to time indefinite? That's your hell right there.
educ8self
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Would you live your life differently, if you new what happens after death?
by passive suicide inso i had a thought today, that may spark some interesting conversation......
if you were able to die.....totally, and utterly dead.and see what there really is for your own eyes/soul after death......not what the bible says, not what your mom, dad, preacher, rabbi,faithful and discreet slave, conscience ...whatever says will happen....but what really happens......( who can say for sure they know by the way), and then somehow you were brought back,
would you live your life differently?
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Black magic / witchcraft.
by Awakened07 innot sure how much you know about these things, but i'd just like you to guess (not google) which black book i copied this text from:.
"then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, .
and the priest shall say unto the woman, the lord make thee a .
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Came across this a while back, some might find it interesting:
...real magicians know better than to wallow in close-minded ignorance and self-perpetuating superstition. They certainly arent going to go to all the trouble of throwing out Jesus just so that he can sneak in through the back door wearing the cloak of Satanism.
Initiates see Satanism as a pathetic rebellion that merely exalts the other side of the coin of Xtianity. In any case, Satanism is more in the nature of a religion than a magical system, since it is based upon belief and worship.
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I'm sick of "the truth"
by exwitless inthe more i think about the dubs claiming they 'have the truth', the more it irritates me.
there are countless other religions who claim they 'have the truth'.
first of all, "having" "the truth" implies that the truth was either given to them or discovered by them.
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This is in reply to the original post because.. I just don't care enough about the subject to read the rest, sorry guys it's not personal. My thought on this is what if we look at it from the perspective of intellectual property? So what if a group has actually found the answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything? I mean if it were conveyed to you then wouldn't it be "yours", too? It's just a matter of having the information and understanding it essentially, so clearly identifying it with some group of people is rather narrow minded. And one has to wonder: If it is a truth that big that encompasses everything, why would they be so narrow minded as to say it's all them??
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Would you live your life differently, if you new what happens after death?
by passive suicide inso i had a thought today, that may spark some interesting conversation......
if you were able to die.....totally, and utterly dead.and see what there really is for your own eyes/soul after death......not what the bible says, not what your mom, dad, preacher, rabbi,faithful and discreet slave, conscience ...whatever says will happen....but what really happens......( who can say for sure they know by the way), and then somehow you were brought back,
would you live your life differently?
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Actually it sounds a lot like not knowing when you have to resort to quoting another source even if it is the bible. I was simply making the point about the word translated as "indefinite" in the previous quote which stands on it's own. Now if you want to go back to the original subject of the message, it is what happens after death, not whether you'd live again or what happens then. Whether you'll live again after you die and whether you will be well regarded then is a different question from what happens in death, period. In any case you might have faith this and that happens, but if you are saying you KNOW then that is a different story. The original post was very specific about that.
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Although you may not practise any religion anymore do you......
by JH inalthough you may not practise any religion anymore do you still defend what the bible says to your best, when someone of another faith says something you know is completely false...
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Why does it need defending? If something is false I'd address it on that basis and the reasoning the person brings up if any, and maybe if the bible happens to express the answer to that situation sure I'll even bring that up - but I don't feel the need to defend it or attack it, it's a book.
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short answer would be sometimes I guess, if I bother to put it on. Thing is the cross in itself is a perfectly nice little symbol, with the intersection of vertical and horizontal lines. These days people associate such symbols with all kinds of things that does not necessarily have real meaning related to its structure, like a whole belief system with the social and cultural implications - and that of course I don't care to be associated with because it would simply be inaccurate and does not reflect what I think. People have enough crap going through their heads without me having something to trigger it, and I don't really want to interact with have any conversations on that level anyway.
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Actually the way the subject is phrased is interesting, because often it is because there is a resistance that one reacts and goes to the other extreme. Regardless of your position that's not exactly a good way to come to any conclusion.
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We are free to love
by purplesofa inwhat i have noticed since pulling away from group thinking, mindsets, rules and superstitions, that i am open to a broader range of loving people.. i am not sure i can blame all this on the jw expericance.
as children we are taught from our tribe, (family and enviroment, church, school, extended family, neighborhood..........who to love and who not to love.
i used to believe as the witnesses taught, you have to "beat" the evil out of children.. have you ever watched a group of small children unattended?
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I would basically agree, although it's not just about people. So often people take it as a given that love or spirituality in general has to do with what people does that the rest of the world is completely ignored, even with animals we regard as pets (which is of course just another box) the reality is there are a lot of them out there who aren't doing so well, but we remain rather narrow in our focus with our own pets. Interpersonal dynamics, no matter how harmonious remains rather narrow and is ultimately another box.
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We are free to love
by purplesofa inwhat i have noticed since pulling away from group thinking, mindsets, rules and superstitions, that i am open to a broader range of loving people.. i am not sure i can blame all this on the jw expericance.
as children we are taught from our tribe, (family and enviroment, church, school, extended family, neighborhood..........who to love and who not to love.
i used to believe as the witnesses taught, you have to "beat" the evil out of children.. have you ever watched a group of small children unattended?
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Oh I am stepping out but I will come back to this in more detail. For now, that Haddaway song "What Is Love" comes to mind as a fitting JW anthem what with the fear. (and of course, A Night At The Roxbury's - but I digress) "What is love? Baby don't hurt me..."
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Would you live your life differently, if you new what happens after death?
by passive suicide inso i had a thought today, that may spark some interesting conversation......
if you were able to die.....totally, and utterly dead.and see what there really is for your own eyes/soul after death......not what the bible says, not what your mom, dad, preacher, rabbi,faithful and discreet slave, conscience ...whatever says will happen....but what really happens......( who can say for sure they know by the way), and then somehow you were brought back,
would you live your life differently?
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Hmm, something I never thought of is time indefinite is just not definite right - but it seems to be equated with forever? Technically it's indefinite for everybody unless you know the time. Goes back to not knowing doesn't it?