hello all ex-jw's long time lurker first time posting.
obviously my name is not my real name but i don't want to reveal my real name for fear of shunning obviously.
i have really appreciated much of what this site offers in vast amounts of information that is valuable to me.
Happy Birthday LB. At least I think so from your profile page. If you are not married, 31, have only been in JW as an adult, which may mean your family is not in (and let us know), then you better get the hell on with your life you lucky BA$TARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
what are you waiting for.......oompa
I am pretty sure the WTS has said not to worry about "mind control" in that Satan does not now have even the ability to read our thoughts. And when is the last time there was a major article about someone "demonized" yes "possesed" and the elders came and "cast out" the demon by means of prayer and fasting? Where in HELL are all the demons (ha ha).
Now for the biggie, Demons and Satan are not really that bad after all, so maybe religions don't need them. That's right. Satan calls God a liar, and gets man to sin, and what happens to him? Is he punished and shunned by all the other angels? Nope, he pops up at a heavenly District Convention chatting wih God about Job. So he tortures the hell out of Job while challenging God yet again. So now he is punished and shunned by all the other angels right? Hell no! He has a son of God to kill. So he tests Jesus, then arranges his torture and ghastly death. So NOW Satan is punished and shunned by all the other angels right? Not hardly, cause he has now only been able to hang out in Heaven and Earth for about 5000 years. So almost 2000 years later, the bad boys get kicked out of heaven (but not earth), and apparently are now shunned by the 2/3 of the angels left in heaven.
swift justice rules for the wicked.....oompa
at the watchtower study sunday a comment was made that "we must stop focusing our efforts and energies.
on this old dying system and focus our energies on life in paradise so near at hand.
were many nodding heads in full agreement with this tid bit of insanity.
It does not have to get worse. If it only stays the same, life is miserable for all but the absolute most happy/holy ones of the bunch, and those mentally disturbed (which is a boatload). Has much really changed as far as how we are to think and what we are to do? OK yes, now we can't smoke, and DF started..I forget when, but life was easier before, plus you could smoke. Now though, at least we can all partake at the memorial, and I was never even given that option growning up (anointed still being called). If we could just get one publisher worldwide to bring a good sharp knife to the memorial, we could take out every anointed in about 3 minutes, then the end would have to come (ok, sick humor).
You really need to stop turning in time, the world will not end. Then start missing one meet a week for just one month, the book study is perfect now, "the rev. book is starting to really bother me and I only want to climax with you dear." and guess what, the world will not end, and your wile and kids will get used to it quick.
Then, be bold, and miss the school/service meeting. You don't need to go because you are not giving talks anymore or going in service and it bothers you that you can't ever graduate anyway. The world will not end, and now your wife will start missing more meetings than you can believe, at least mine is. Seeing me on Sunday morning sipping coffee on the deck, reading the paper, a touch of fall in the air, ahhhh "bye honey, have a good meeting."....hell yes part of me is sad when she goes, but she is going less!
Now your down to only one meeting to dispose of, and I still try to go to one or two a month for my wife. I wish I could tell you there were some in the hall I really wanted to see, but I swear, all those I ever hung with have moved anyway. I have almost nothing in common with 95% of the cong.
OK- I just Read several of your early post and I don't know how old your kids are or how many you have. How long have you been married and how hardcore is your wife? Hopefully if you guys ever got chicky chicky wow wow before marriage, she will remember that she does not HAVE to do everything by the book.
Good Luck, it ain't easy.....oompa
when you started understanding that the "truth" wasn't all that it was cracked up to be, how long did it take for you to get mentally and/or physically out??
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Awesome, I respect both you guys (minimus+otwo). Now, if you two are done.....lol.
2-pages and nobody as asked for clarification on your question? Aren't we supposed to question everything? When does "no mans land start?" With the first doubts? or after you have figured out we are a cult and you still have to go to the meeting?
My first real doubts were at 19 as a pioneer in service with a super DO(we were cong hall for the district convention . So I ask a couple of questions and his great Spiritual Giant answer was "well my friend, sometimes we just have to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps." Prior to that a 15 I did not really think about things from a Spiritual perspective, but I was certain of one thing. This no sex thing was a joke! I had to get a chick in my 9th grade science class undressed or I was gonna DIE! Of course I felt the same way about my art teacher, but that one didn't materalize unfortunately.
Serious doubts popped up for the last 20 years, but did not get serious till 2 years ago, I believe during the Daniel bookstudy. Now I have not been in porchsurfing for over a year, and very rarely attend meetings.
so apply your own answer to the question.....oompa
just wondering if there are any df's or da's in my area that i can talk to.
i was df'd in tracy then moved to modesto where i still live.
Emy, just read your posts, sorry I missed them earlier, and Welcome. I too appreciated how the folks at this site really can understand and do care. Especially your first post, I am so sorry for the losses you still feel. Before I say this, I will let you know I did not read the other posts, cause I am at work and in a hurry. I am not df'd but my son is, and I have never bought into the whole shunning arrangement. That being said, you still feel this way after 2.5 years, and I do not see anything wrong with getting back "in" only for family/friends relations.
Many here disagree, but many also "fade" out for this very reason. Shunning sucks. Screw principle of "being yourself" and "standing up for your personal rights". It's been 2.5 years and you have a great husband. Add a few other pieces of the puzzle and you would probably feel much better. It is really easy to come back "in" in most places. Anyway, I love Modesto and of course Yosemite as I had a good friend I used to spend time with in Oakdale.
Good Luck (just love sayin it) and Best Wishes....oompa
ps-if you do not find local support, come here more, it is great therapy!
i checked my last post, that was march 2007.. .
i had plans to go to italy for a dig and i just got fired from my suck ass waiting job, but instead i went to a dig in texas for the summer.
wow was that [edit] cool.
Fairly new here, but welcome back youngin. Yeah I have two sons your age, neither of which I can even get to go to school. I must say, your scool seems to SUCK. What is it, or what type is it? School should be more challenging for you. If it is that easy, I really recommend getting a job too. Barista is good, esp. for metting some not jesus freak girls maybe. Extra benefit of course is that you could stash some cash for your next excursion. Don't forget, your Mom's funds could dry up unexpectely, esp. if she finds you are not doing meetings, and you better stay informed about what is going on at them in case she asks.
such great parental advice....oompa
most the km scriptures are taken out of contexts with paul's teachings about christ!
black bold scriptures are the wrongfully applied septembers kingdom minstery.
scriptures in red are paul's expressed meanings versus km black bold scriptures.
Good in depth anylisis on this point, and I feel patriotic now (red white and blue). But you poor dear, surely this did not suprise you:
Unfortunately for the WTBTS, the following verses does not apply to research it has something to do with the new baptized Christians
I am sure you know that is standard procedure. Also wondered about this:
All Christains are the faithful slave not just the 144,000 prior to 1935.
But did they know it? Was this in print much prior to 1935? What was the teaching about the 144,000 prior to 1935. I know this is off the main topic, but you did get me thinking.
thinking is a very, very bad thing......oompa
nwt (acts 7:55-60) 55 but he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of gods glory and of jesus standing at gods right hand, 56 and he said: "look!
i behold the heavens opened up and the son of man standing at gods right hand.
"57 at this they cried out at the top of the voice and put their hands over their ears and rushed upon him with one accord.
TFJW or anyone else who can tell me. Where and how do reference the "J" versions. They sure aren't lying around the house of any JW I know, and I have never even seen one. Just because the "J" translations decided to create spurious verses is sure a dumb reason for NWT to do so.
where the J are they......oompa
i realize it's been a while since i spun a good yarn, but the past few days i have had my mom staying with us, and that is enough to fuel a yarn if anything ever was.. it starts last week when my sister, mrs po was over at mom's trying to discover why mom's pc seems to randomly shut itself off for no apparent reason.
i imagine she scoured the house for garage sale items with attached legions of demons or mischievous smurf dolls before noticing a correlation between the ancient prehistoric freezer mom has switching on or off, and the lights dimming and the pc simply going poof.. but it couldn't be this pleistocene menace freezer that is the problems, it has to be the top-end pc i built mom.. please excuse me while i roll my eyes and peer at the back of my skull for a moment or two..... there.. anyhoo, it gets decided that i'll come out and pick mom up along with her pc and bring the both of them back to my house for a few days.. not decided by me mind you, but decided nonetheless.. i mean, i've got a giant truck that chugs gas as if from a fire hose and an electric scooter to ride up to mom's door, why shouldn't i go collect her, haul all her stuff to the truck, load it, help her climb up into the truck and then load my scooter?.
all from the back of my scooter, mind you.
A very good read RD! Well done. Maybe a cross between a Seinfeld and Raymond.
still smiling...oompa
getting old sure sucks though
definition from the american heritage dictionary:.
'one who has abandoned ones religious faith, a political party, ones principles or a cause'.
thousands of people leave the watchtower org every year, some become atheist, some agnostic, some choose to follow another religion and some develop their own beliefs, yet according to this dictionary definition all are apostate.
Great post and replies. All "raised in's" probably hate word, and yeah we are scared to death of it. We even have the term "active apostate" for those busy at slamming WT.
hard to change JW slant on things....oompa
