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  having a dark night of the soul

  by Miss Behaving in

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  i'm writing this here because i need someone to talk to, and you're the only folks i know who will understand.

  most of the time i think i'm a pretty happy and together person, but lately, i'll see something that reminds me of my family and i'll spontaneously start crying.

  i miss them so much and my heart keeps breaking, and even though i have kind people i work and volunteer with, i feel so incredibly lonely sometimes.

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  Miss B please know that everyone here really cares about you and what happens to you. You have done so well so far, being brave enough to be true to yourself and your conscience, even though that cost you friends and family, getting yourself into college without their support. That shows you are a strong and honest person and anyone would be lucky to have you as a friend. Keep building on your new relationships, don't be afraid to reach out for help, for example to your teachers/counsellors in college or to new friends, they might not know what a tough time your having. See if you can find some ex-jws living nearby who you can meet with and talk to, I'm sure there are people in the same position as you not far away. We are not living close by most of us but we are with you in spirit. You didn't cause this rift in your family, you are there for them if they need you, you are the bigger person. Who knows maybe their conscience is hurting them and they would like to be there for you too, maybe this is what will wake them up? But don't forget you got this far without them and you can keep going and get stronger and live a great life, you have a lot of happiness ahead of you, I am certain. Lots of love x
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  This podcast interview of 2 ex-JWs deserves to go viral

  by Island Man in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  the actual interview starts at the 20 minute mark.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbxfgbjjs0m.

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  I'm only halfway through but this is very good, more should hear it!
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  OMG, I’m gonna get Old and Die.

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when it finally clicked,.

  and you realized there was no 1914, there was no generation that would see the end of a wicked system, there was no paradise around the corner, .

  what went through you mind?.

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  maybe theres something in it and Jesus will come back, maybe he won't, either way waking up is making me realise

  1. Better earn more cash and start saving

  2. Better enjoy life now

  saw some jws at the weekend, when you ask 'how are you?' it was all 'were scraping by, were struggling through'....what a way to live!
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  Which Steve Hassan book?

  by Tornintwo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  can anyone recommend which steve hassan book to read, i see there are 3.. my mind is all over the place during this process of finally acknowledging and researching my doubts, ive been recommended his books on here, but which one is best?.

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  Thanks for the tips, think I better read both, but I like oubliette's comments whose read both so I'll start with that one.
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  How Some Climb Up So Quickly?!!

  by Sofia Lose in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  our current co has not been in the org all that long, less than 10 years, and already quite a respected overseer.

  i know of a few married couples in the spanish congs that are doing everything right, you know, with the theocratic schooling, the pioneering, etc., and... nothing!.

  how do some seem to reach certain posts so damn quick, while others cannot make it?!

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  You have to play the game..

  My husband has never suffered fools gladly, if he sees someone acting in the wrong way, even if they're an elder, co, etc, he would say something. That doesn't go down very well, even if the scriptures are on your side.

  You have to kiss ass, nod and agree with the prominent ones to get ahead, not sounding like a very Christ like organization is it?
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  Wanted to Share a Watchtower Quote with you

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just thought this was interesting and wanted to see all of your thoughts and opinions on it.. watchtower, november 15, 2014, simplified study edition, pages 11-12:.

  9 let us examine the words of three brothers who for many years have worked closely with members of the governing body.

  one brother mentioned: while this has indeed been a unique privilege of service, the close association has from time to time revealed that, although spirit anointed, these brothers are imperfect.

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  Meditating on the words of these three brothers can help you to be obedient to God and remain holy.
  

  In other words, "these brothers don't think for themselves but 'loyally' let others think for them, that's exactly the type of people were looking for"
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  Which Steve Hassan book?

  by Tornintwo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  can anyone recommend which steve hassan book to read, i see there are 3.. my mind is all over the place during this process of finally acknowledging and researching my doubts, ive been recommended his books on here, but which one is best?.

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  Tornintwo

  Can anyone recommend which Steve Hassan book to read, I see there are 3.

  My mind is all over the place during this process of finally acknowledging and researching my doubts, Ive been recommended his books on here, but which one is best?
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  Does What We Say Here Or In Person Really Help JWs To Get Out Of The Religion?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if we are in the congregation, do you think our comments or questions actually reach elders or others in the congregation?

  do our comments on this board affect witnesses to the point of questioning their faith?

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  It's definitely helping me, I'm only been here a month and I'm kind of addicted.

  When you start to doubt you feel like you're going insane, the cognitive dissonance pulls you back in to the guilty fog and you question if you are doing something terrible by even asking these questions. Here you find people who feel/or felt like you do and came out the other side, you also find out that a lot of ex jws are kind, 'Christian' (in the way they act even if non believers) and supportive (not evil apostates!)

  You get reinforcement for your own issues but also get a chance to reconsider points you never even would have questioned because of the indoctrination. Also it's so refreshing to see the different &conflicting opinions expressed freely! Funny too at times.

  having said all that I agree that for the sake of newbies just daring to lurk, older posters shouldn't be too harsh about the org, it can be an instant turnoff if you are only just starting to question things and you read something abusive or very irreverent. What you need is an honest examination of the facts, which is why I think jwfacts is so powerful too.

  Anyway, thanks everyone, this forum is helping me right now.
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  One month researching my doubts: my crucial issues with WTBTS - what are yours?

  by Tornintwo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so after 20 years a convert, about a month ago i decided to start listening to my doubts and to do independent research about the wtbts teachings (naughty me).

  as a result i have consolidated my position on various points and these are my major issues with the wtbts teachings, i am posting these to help myself figure things out (with your assistance) and hopefully to hear from others at their stage of drawing away from the gb - newbies' especially.

  in the form of notes so hope you dont mind...child abuse.

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  Hi The Governor, thanks so much for your list, very clear and though out points which are thought-provoking, well done you for seeing all this before committing yourself by baptism, plenty of people on here wishing they'd been as asute. I can feel your emotion regarding the whole disfellowshipping issue, such a lack of love or justice in that whole process and I'm sorry it's hurt your family, I'm absolutely convinced that's not what Jesus wanted. I'm still researching ( when I can amongst work/family stuff) but I afraid I've 'taken the red pill, the genies out of the bottle, the cats out of the bag'....

  my family situation is a bit complicated so I can't just walk away right now, but Iike others on here have said, it's mentally liberating to acknowledge your doubts and to know you don't have to accept or excuse the b.s. In this religion anymore, plus any guilt about 'not doing more' has almost disappeared. It's painful but it's also pretty nice to be awake!

  Thank you also Franz, there is much research to do (amidst work/family stuff) so it might take years, I'm impatient but I've really taken to heart the advice from you and others to take things slow, I need it. What's great is that I will now allow myself to do the research, I've broken free of those mental controls and I hope many more will do that too, how foolish we were to allow men to decide for us what we should and shouldn't think.
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  One month researching my doubts: my crucial issues with WTBTS - what are yours?

  by Tornintwo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so after 20 years a convert, about a month ago i decided to start listening to my doubts and to do independent research about the wtbts teachings (naughty me).

  as a result i have consolidated my position on various points and these are my major issues with the wtbts teachings, i am posting these to help myself figure things out (with your assistance) and hopefully to hear from others at their stage of drawing away from the gb - newbies' especially.

  in the form of notes so hope you dont mind...child abuse.

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  Hi everyone, thanks for the great replies, feels so good to speak to people who understand.

  Nice summary Of the choices we face DOC. It sounds like Millie and her family have found the sweet spot, inactive but without shunning or too much disapproval. I have had a great deal of stress this last year, which some of the elders know about, so I can use to a certain extent the stress/depression card truthfully to reduce my activity and start to fade.

  I just really need to learn to keep my mouth shut because I've sounded off too much to my husband so far, thinking he'd start to open his eyes too, but he just comes straight back with the standard answers and I can't stand the way he equates it all with loyalty to God.

  Thanks again, much to think about