i'm writing this here because i need someone to talk to, and you're the only folks i know who will understand.
most of the time i think i'm a pretty happy and together person, but lately, i'll see something that reminds me of my family and i'll spontaneously start crying.
i miss them so much and my heart keeps breaking, and even though i have kind people i work and volunteer with, i feel so incredibly lonely sometimes.
So pleased you're feeling better, was worried about you. I think the charity is a great idea, it's not about saving the world, it's about helping individuals in distress, and if no one ever did that then where would we be?
im just shocked that the religion which I thought for 20 years showed love more than any other is doing this to people, the latest 'shunning' interview at the convention just proves it. Very sad.
i'm writing this here because i need someone to talk to, and you're the only folks i know who will understand.
most of the time i think i'm a pretty happy and together person, but lately, i'll see something that reminds me of my family and i'll spontaneously start crying.
i miss them so much and my heart keeps breaking, and even though i have kind people i work and volunteer with, i feel so incredibly lonely sometimes.
the actual interview starts at the 20 minute mark.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbxfgbjjs0m.
when it finally clicked,.
and you realized there was no 1914, there was no generation that would see the end of a wicked system, there was no paradise around the corner, .
what went through you mind?.
maybe theres something in it and Jesus will come back, maybe he won't, either way waking up is making me realise
1. Better earn more cash and start saving
2. Better enjoy life now
saw some jws at the weekend, when you ask 'how are you?' it was all 'were scraping by, were struggling through'....what a way to live!
can anyone recommend which steve hassan book to read, i see there are 3.. my mind is all over the place during this process of finally acknowledging and researching my doubts, ive been recommended his books on here, but which one is best?.
our current co has not been in the org all that long, less than 10 years, and already quite a respected overseer.
i know of a few married couples in the spanish congs that are doing everything right, you know, with the theocratic schooling, the pioneering, etc., and... nothing!.
how do some seem to reach certain posts so damn quick, while others cannot make it?!
You have to play the game..
My husband has never suffered fools gladly, if he sees someone acting in the wrong way, even if they're an elder, co, etc, he would say something. That doesn't go down very well, even if the scriptures are on your side.
You have to kiss ass, nod and agree with the prominent ones to get ahead, not sounding like a very Christ like organization is it?
just thought this was interesting and wanted to see all of your thoughts and opinions on it.. watchtower, november 15, 2014, simplified study edition, pages 11-12:.
9 let us examine the words of three brothers who for many years have worked closely with members of the governing body.
one brother mentioned: while this has indeed been a unique privilege of service, the close association has from time to time revealed that, although spirit anointed, these brothers are imperfect.
Meditating on the words of these three brothers can help you to be obedient to God and remain holy.
In other words, "these brothers don't think for themselves but 'loyally' let others think for them, that's exactly the type of people were looking for"
can anyone recommend which steve hassan book to read, i see there are 3.. my mind is all over the place during this process of finally acknowledging and researching my doubts, ive been recommended his books on here, but which one is best?.
Can anyone recommend which Steve Hassan book to read, I see there are 3.
My mind is all over the place during this process of finally acknowledging and researching my doubts, Ive been recommended his books on here, but which one is best?
if we are in the congregation, do you think our comments or questions actually reach elders or others in the congregation?
do our comments on this board affect witnesses to the point of questioning their faith?
It's definitely helping me, I'm only been here a month and I'm kind of addicted.
When you start to doubt you feel like you're going insane, the cognitive dissonance pulls you back in to the guilty fog and you question if you are doing something terrible by even asking these questions. Here you find people who feel/or felt like you do and came out the other side, you also find out that a lot of ex jws are kind, 'Christian' (in the way they act even if non believers) and supportive (not evil apostates!)
You get reinforcement for your own issues but also get a chance to reconsider points you never even would have questioned because of the indoctrination. Also it's so refreshing to see the different &conflicting opinions expressed freely! Funny too at times.
having said all that I agree that for the sake of newbies just daring to lurk, older posters shouldn't be too harsh about the org, it can be an instant turnoff if you are only just starting to question things and you read something abusive or very irreverent. What you need is an honest examination of the facts, which is why I think jwfacts is so powerful too.
Anyway, thanks everyone, this forum is helping me right now.
so after 20 years a convert, about a month ago i decided to start listening to my doubts and to do independent research about the wtbts teachings (naughty me).
as a result i have consolidated my position on various points and these are my major issues with the wtbts teachings, i am posting these to help myself figure things out (with your assistance) and hopefully to hear from others at their stage of drawing away from the gb - newbies' especially.
in the form of notes so hope you dont mind...child abuse.
Hi The Governor, thanks so much for your list, very clear and though out points which are thought-provoking, well done you for seeing all this before committing yourself by baptism, plenty of people on here wishing they'd been as asute. I can feel your emotion regarding the whole disfellowshipping issue, such a lack of love or justice in that whole process and I'm sorry it's hurt your family, I'm absolutely convinced that's not what Jesus wanted. I'm still researching ( when I can amongst work/family stuff) but I afraid I've 'taken the red pill, the genies out of the bottle, the cats out of the bag'....
my family situation is a bit complicated so I can't just walk away right now, but Iike others on here have said, it's mentally liberating to acknowledge your doubts and to know you don't have to accept or excuse the b.s. In this religion anymore, plus any guilt about 'not doing more' has almost disappeared. It's painful but it's also pretty nice to be awake!
Thank you also Franz, there is much research to do (amidst work/family stuff) so it might take years, I'm impatient but I've really taken to heart the advice from you and others to take things slow, I need it. What's great is that I will now allow myself to do the research, I've broken free of those mental controls and I hope many more will do that too, how foolish we were to allow men to decide for us what we should and shouldn't think.
