Posts by Tornintwo

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The Report - BBC Radio 4 about Jehovah's Witnesses and Child Sexual Abuse can now be heard

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0612hjs.

the report about child abuse and jehovah's witnesses is now live.. jehovah's witnesses handle child abuse cases.

jehovah's witnesses and child sexual abuse, the report - bbc radio 4 .

Tornintwo

I talked to a c.o. About these reports and the responses were

'dont believe everything you hear in the news' and you know there is a saying among journalists 'don't let the truth get in the way of a good story'.

then when the high court decision came out against jws, in London bethel morning worship they apparently told the bethelite, 'don't believe everything you read/hear' and told them that the complainant was 'an apostate'.

my answers:' if this story was about the Catholic Church you would be lapping it up' And, 'that girl is a victim!'

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How Far Apart Were Your Legs?

by Joe Grundy in

several threads on here about the excellent bbc r4 programme this week ('the report') focussing on rape and abuse in barry, south wales, jws.

fat pervert mark sewell later got 14 years and i hope he is enjoying every minute of it.. the courageous ladies who spoke on the programme were articulate, reasonable and made a tremendous impression.. the quote in the thread title made an impression on me, and i hope, on all listeners.. forget religious, theological, 'biblical' issues and cut to the basics.

a rape victim was asked to demonstrate - to demonstrate, ffs - to three unqualified (middle-aged at least, presumably) men just how far her legs were apart when she was raped.. i have rarely heard anything so outrageous, and i used to investigate rape and abuse in my profession.

Tornintwo

When I was 18 my now husband and I came very close to committing fornication and were reproved for 'pornea', I sat in a room with 3 elders who asked me where he put his member, if it was hard, etc etc.... I can't believe now that I went along with it, I remember thinking, 'this is a bit weird' but I was wholeheartedly convinced i had the truth and just wanted to confess and have it over and done with.

I look back now I have 2 daughters and think I would never, ever ,ever allow either one of them to go through that, thinking back at the slow methodical, intrusive and unnecessary nature of questioning and the semi-smirks on their faces I am convinced eat least 2 were aroused.

Other posters are right, how many girls have gone through this procedure? Must be thousands!!! What would the media say if they got hold of this? It's absolutely outrageous. Wish someone would tape it happening then there'd be a real story.

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How Far Apart Were Your Legs?

by Joe Grundy in

several threads on here about the excellent bbc r4 programme this week ('the report') focussing on rape and abuse in barry, south wales, jws.

fat pervert mark sewell later got 14 years and i hope he is enjoying every minute of it.. the courageous ladies who spoke on the programme were articulate, reasonable and made a tremendous impression.. the quote in the thread title made an impression on me, and i hope, on all listeners.. forget religious, theological, 'biblical' issues and cut to the basics.

a rape victim was asked to demonstrate - to demonstrate, ffs - to three unqualified (middle-aged at least, presumably) men just how far her legs were apart when she was raped.. i have rarely heard anything so outrageous, and i used to investigate rape and abuse in my profession.

Tornintwo

With regard to identifying the elders, the victim Karen Morgan works with Cedars, maybe you could email her for the names, although it was years ago so they may have died

http://jwsurvey.org/contact-us

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How Far Apart Were Your Legs?

by Joe Grundy in

several threads on here about the excellent bbc r4 programme this week ('the report') focussing on rape and abuse in barry, south wales, jws.

fat pervert mark sewell later got 14 years and i hope he is enjoying every minute of it.. the courageous ladies who spoke on the programme were articulate, reasonable and made a tremendous impression.. the quote in the thread title made an impression on me, and i hope, on all listeners.. forget religious, theological, 'biblical' issues and cut to the basics.

a rape victim was asked to demonstrate - to demonstrate, ffs - to three unqualified (middle-aged at least, presumably) men just how far her legs were apart when she was raped.. i have rarely heard anything so outrageous, and i used to investigate rape and abuse in my profession.

Tornintwo

This case and one in Moston, Manchester where the victims of abuse were grilled in front of their abuser are both now the subject of an investigation by the Charities commission in the UK, which has also launched an investigation into the JWs General charity in UK over its safeguarding policies. It will be very interesting to see the results, which will hopefully at the least prevent this kind of questioning by non professional males of abuse survivors. Believed by many to be as bad as repeating the abuse.

there is a Wales TV documentary on this case too:

/http://www.itv.com/news/wales/update/2014-09-29/missed-tonights-episode-of-wales-this-week-witness-to-the-truth-catch-up-here/

Also on YouTube,

what struck me in addition to the obvious abuse, cover up and grilling covered on the original thread was the treatment of the girl and her dad afterwards. She was disfellowshipped later (who can blame her for leaving the organization after this treatment) and he wanted to walk her down the aisle at her wedding years on, as a support and celebration of her recovery from abuse, for this he 'got into trouble' with the congregation, it's not clear whether he was df'd or da'd. How disgusting! They should have been celebrating with her that she recovered from this horrific experience and was starting her own family, but all they can do is judge.

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Ray Franz and You.

by John Aquila in

if ray franz would have kept his mouth shut and not disfellowshipped, and remained part of the governing body how many of us ex-jw would still be trapped in the cult?.

would we have come this far?.

Tornintwo

I was recommended COC on this site just a couple of months ago. It did a great deal to unravel my faith in the GB, it's clear from the book that they weren't making decisions based on Holy Spirit and were dangerously intrusive into people's lives. I also had no idea about the Malawi/Mexico hypocrisy which was horrifying.

i wish someone new would do the same as Ray, to have an up to date perspective, a higher up in bethel or GB, especially would love to know more about the financial aspects.

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This generation revisited.

by Bigdummy in

it's 1:30 am and i'm wide awake again as usual.

i was doing a little bible reading yesterday and.

came across luke 11:29 where jesus states " when the crowds were increasing, he began to say,.

Tornintwo

They've tied themselves in knots trying to give an 'accurate' interpretation of every scripture, to prove that they are the ones to whom the secrets of the scriptures are being revealed by God, in reality they have proved the opposite to any objective observer.

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WT Mantras / Thought Stoppers

by Ding in

i've been thinking about how the gb controls jws through the use of short phrases or scripture quotes (often partial quotes ripped out of context).. think of the sound-bite responses you know jws are going to give you in response to points you try to make to them.. ones that come to my mind immediately are:.

-- "the light gets brighter and brighter.".

-- "who, then, is the faithful and discreet slave?".

Tornintwo

'Do not forsake the gathering of yourselves together..' I.e. Don't miss the meetings

'its an organisation of imperfect men' (used to excuse bullying and other unpleasant behaviour by hierarchy)

'we must be humble and wait on Jehovah' (meaning, if you have a genuine complaint, you must be too proud)

'we mustn't murmur or cause contentions' (similar to the above, 'never mind you have a valid cause for complaint against brother important, you have to put up and shut up otherwise youre a troublemaker)

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Witnesses and anxiety disorder

by mana11 in

i saw this on a public user group for jw's .

the librarian [email protected].

the caption reads:.

Tornintwo

Iownmylife, Marina has it spot on...

also how many pioneers do you know who are sick? I've known loads who pioneer half the year then get sick and take 2 months off ill and get all the sympathy and encouragement to keep going despite illness, so they go back on the treadmill to pioneer again....I've often thought, why don't they stop pioneering and enjoy better health?

These illneses are a (subconscious) excuse for many to get off the hyper treadmill for a while without guilt or fear of judgement. The whole org from the mind control leaders to the overwrought, sick sisters would make a fascinating psychological study.

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Love and forgiveness....

by Tornintwo in

jw
friends

i've been musing a lot about the 'love' that exists in the organisation.

what i've noticed over the last 20 odd years is that an overemphasis on the requirement for forgiveness by those who have been wronged.

of course as christians we should forgive eachother, but i'm talking about obvious abusive and bullying behaviour by 'prominent' ones, which is excused by the ageold 'we are all imperfect'..... 'its an organisation of imperfect men....', you should forgive.....and quickly dismissed.

Tornintwo

Umbertoecho, This is one of the things that drives me crazy, they expect us to forgive even when the other person hasn't apologized or even acknowledged the wrong. In our case, our family has been mistreated by a prominent elder who had shunned my kids and insulted me and my husband in the strongest terms, I tried to approach to make peace and he insulted me even more! What caused this? we caught his kid sending hardcore porn to another kid and his family didn't want to admit it or deal with it.

No one wants to call him out on the way he has treated us because he is in the boys club, we just have to let it go, leave it with Jehovah, forgive and forget etc. while listening to him give talks at assemblies.

i know from past experience that this isn't the first experience like this and won't be the last, it makes me sick, but at least it started my awakening.

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Resistance is NOT futile!

by Bonsai in

all i want from this life is to be able to wash windows at bethel.. my story.. when i was fresh out of high school and pioneering, i said those exact words to my friends and family.

all i wanted to do was be at the core of the organization where it was the safest.

i gleefully told people that i'd gladly spend the rest of my life washing windows, waiting tables, doing laundry or cleaning bathrooms.

Tornintwo

Wow thanks for telling your story, it's fascinating to hear the steps different people take in awakening.

The funeral story is outrageous, legalism at its worst.

have you been harassed on the way out, or have they let you leave quietly? It's great you have your wife's agreement, wish my husband would even consider that the GB might just be wrong.