Posts by Tornintwo

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Suicide or Real Freedom? - My Story As One Of Jehovah's Witnesses

by dubstepped in

"sometimes i think the only thing i could do that wouldn't upset someone would be to kill myself.".

those were the frustrated words of my friend as we stood out in his large yard in the country, just about to enjoy a nice bonfire on a beautiful night.

what was it that could have been a lesser evil than killing himself?

Tornintwo

Wonderful story Dubstepped and so well written.

it really illustrates how this organisation tramples on individuality and people's emotions in pursuit of drone slaves for the watchtower. I'm so sorry your family have made such a narrow minded choice, it is their loss and I hope they realize that one day.

its great that you didn't throw the baby out with the bath water and abandon your faith. I am clinging to a faith in God and Christ, there are things in my life that have made me just feel there is a God, unpopular as such thinking may be with some here. it's difficult because the witnesses claim ownership of God, yesterday I was told 'Jehovah misses me' because I'm not at the meetings, I was like 'how do you know Jehovah isn't with me?'.

Thanks again for a great story, enjoy the rest of your lives and a huge congratulations that your wife is by your side, it's a luxury many of us here don't have X

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I could sue the WTBTS

by shattered_origins in

ever since my sister gave me an " awakening," i have been somewhat obsessed with the failings of the religion i was born into.

i am especially outraged at the article i read about how the elders are supposed to deal with accusations of sexual abuse (jwfacts.com/watchtower/paedophelia.php).

i myself suffered sexual and emotional abuse from a family "friend"/ministerial servant in a neighboring congregation.

Tornintwo

Sue them!!! Call Irwin zalkin and at least get some advice. After all you've been through you deserve compensation. I'm so sorry you suffered this abuse and mistreatment.

Reinstated after a year, eugh, "we're not permissive to pedophiles" said Lett on jw broadcasting, well plenty of experiences like this say you are.

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New Watchtower Propaganda and hate speech destroying families (Feb 2016 WT)

by Daniel1555 in

the following is a paragraph from the new february study watchtower article "learn from jehovah's loyal servants.".

7 a conflict of loyalties may arise when a close relative is disfellowshipped.

for example, a sister named anne [1] received a telephone call from her disfellowshipped mother.

Tornintwo

That's just sick. Confirms again I'm doing the right thing walking away.

Strangely enough, when I converted from CofE to JW, none of my family shunned me - they supported us even when we didn't join in their celebrations, they even financed our Kingdom Hall wedding. My husband converted from Catholicism, same, nothing but love and support.

This is supposed to be true christianity - well, by their fruits.....

Ironically the next subheading is 'Loyalty to God Helps us to be Kind....' lol

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Your thoughts on Halloween , yes, no or maybe ?

by Finkelstein in

well its that time again when the ghouls come out to play.

i personally think halloween is a bit irresponsible and inappropriate from a sociological perspective.. there's something about the intent of frightening young impressionable children minds with frightening objests.

and feeding them candy which most likely cause tooth decay and stomachs is irresponsible activity conducted by adults.

Tornintwo

For the most part if it's kept low key, like we did it when we were kids with sheets over our heads as ghosts and bobbing for apples, then it's harmless fun and a great opportunity to spend time as a family and community.

BUT I do think these days it's turned into rampant commercialism and yet another opportunity for big business to fleece the common people.

I also find it very disturbing that kids near me don't dress as cats, witches and silly ghosts anymore but as zombie 'dead schoolgirls' and 'dead cheerleaders' and 'chucky' - all a bit sick and perverted....

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Something interesting!

by John Aquila in

i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.

we both served as elders for years.

he is in his late 70s.

Tornintwo

No way, is this for real?!?!?!!

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Personal experience rant

by Crazyguy in

so i was reading over new member hollywood 20s experience and thinking of using it when i'm going to talk with my son that their trying to get baptized.

so that with all the other things through my mind i decided to say some things to him about what's going on with my daughter.

so this is what happening with her.

Tornintwo

Unfortunately they'd rather build a lakeside retirement home for the G.B., aren't you glad you woke up? Sending love, hugs and best wishes to you and your daughter X

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Need advice

by Darkknight757 in

hi.i've been pouring over this site for the past few days looking for some advice and i hope there is someone here that can help a guy out.

i'm desperate.....short bio: i came into the organization after high school and shortly after married a wonderful girl who was born-in.we have been happily married now for nearly 20 years and things were well until 2015 hit.

by the way, i currently serve as an elder and have the ""privilege"" of being the "watchtower overseer".. either here nor there, we were told we would never have children but late last year my wife became prego!!

Tornintwo

Hi darkknight - there are a lot more experienced people than me on this board who can help you with fading advice,. Just wanted to say as a woman and a mum how sorry I am for you and your wife, my sister went through this heartbreak 3 times but finally has 2 lovely children, so don't give up hope (I'll pm with you with the treatment that worked for her, just in case it's relevant). The organisation is terrible at shepherding people through loss and trauma, they only tell people to do more and are always ready to reprove & discipline. It sounds like maybe your wife is feeling this too and a bit of time away from the meetings, maybe a few weekends away here and there might do her good, and get her out of the mind control....

I am sure it won't alarm her if you just say 'do you ever have any doubts....?', if she says 'what no! never!' you know where you are, you can just cover it over quickly and say 'I don't know what's wrong with me, think I'm a bit down' or something like that. But she might say, 'well actually, yes.......'. I like Giordanos suggestion of starting with the child abuse issue, for any one with maternal tendencies this is a crucial aspect for awakening. I mean, 1006 pedophiles on file in Bethel in Australia alone and not ONE reported - that's got to ring alarm bells for any decent human being. Best wishes to you both x

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'Seek the Kingdom First' Economics

by Tornintwo in

jw
friends

has anyone else's family finances been victim to the 'seek the kingdom first' economic policy?.

for years, my husband and i have had our own business, my husband is not the most proactive guy, prefers to go in field service than to work, but he has always encouraged me to 'rely on jehovah and all these other things will be added to you', 'seek the kingdom first' etc etc.

there have been times, such as when i was heavily pregnant and we lost a big deal, that i have been begging jehovah on hands and knees to honour that promise, wondering why he wasn't helping us.

Tornintwo

omg lifeistoshort, you make me feel like a wealthy woman, sounds rough 😓

think maybe we should ditch them both and find ourselves millionaires

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How was it for you when you had to shun someone?

by Anator in

jw
friends

i remember a good friend when i was in and active who was d'fd.

when he started coming back, for me at that time is was gut-wrenching not to say 'hello' or at the very least encourage him to continue.

i thought even at this time, does this act of shunning really effective?

Tornintwo

this last year there has been a sister coming back in our cong. before I stopped attending I would give her a big encouraging smile whenever possible, also told her daughter to tell her that I hope she'd be reinstated soon. Last thing I saw she came out of a back room meeting with elders in floods of tears with some papers in her hand, I gather a reinstatement request had been rejected. There she was driving nearly an hour to all meetings with 4 kids who all had books prepared and answers at the ready, to be ignored by everyone in attendance, but they had to come up with some excuse not to let her back in. She had dealt with some serious tragedy in her life and her 'sin' came soon after, pretty sure Jesus would have forgiven her. Hope she wakes up to TTATT.

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Confronting Parents About 607 vs 587

by breezy in

just thought i would update you guys since my 1st post last week.i haven't been to the meeting for about 2 weeks now, and maybe have like 1 or 2 hours of service combined within the past 2-3 months.

i obviously get the love bombing from relatives when they don't see you at the hall for a while.

" we missed you at the meeting last week.

Tornintwo

Well done - breezy bravely done - the ignorance we find in the org is extreme.

Personally after reading a few articles in jwfacts etc. I didn't feel the need to to a great deal of research myself into this date. As soon as I found out the vast majority of historians, who have made it their life's work to research such matters, agree on 587CE, that was enough for me. The witnesses love to use secular historians to back them up when their arguments agree with jw teachings, but when they don't agree they dismiss them as wrong - complete double standards.

Its like when a court finds against the witnesses it is 'satans' court. But when they win a case, Jehovah is using the legal system to advance the preaching work. Yeah right.