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  Random chance or design?

  by goddidit in

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  i don't read too much jw material because it's pretty much all the same old rubbish and the constant lies and propaganda drives me nuts.. however, i've noticed a common theme with the 'argument from design' articles.

  you know, look at the eye, isn't it complex, evolution is wrong, blah blah.

  all the ones i've seen end in a question like "what do you think, is this a product of random chance or design?".

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  AnneB

  Maybe the larger question is "purpose or plan?"
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  Reinstated Males Serving as Ass'y Attendants

  by doinmypart in

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  at the circuit assembly this weekend i noticed two guys reinstated within the last year were both serving as attendants.

  i thought brothers had to be "exemplary" to do that kind of work.

  have the requirements changed?

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  AnneB

  Sometimes elders will use such appointments to inform the congregation that they are not/were not in agreement with the decision to disfellowship.

  Using a recently reinstated person in any position of responsibility or extending any priveleges (field service, commenting, etc.) can mean that in their eyes the person was not guilty was guilty of a much less serious offense, or had a properly repentant attitude at the time of the JC, one that would not have called for disfellowshipping.

  It's all politics and, like any other political matter, it helps to know how to interpret what you see and hear.
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  "The truth "may not be enough ! An Epiphany moment

  by caliber in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the whole idea of "the truth " .... is not enough!!!

  too much wiggle space , assumption and twisting or hiding of true facts.

  this is the oath said in court since the time of the middle ages in the anglo-saxon world to promise (oath ) to tell.... the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

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  AnneB

  Good thinking!

  If you're interested, try Googling for the definition of "disingenuous". It goes right along with the track you're on.
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  Can we understand the Bible without the Watchtower?

  by brotherdan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  not according to c.t russell.

  in the september 15, 1910 wt he made these shocking claims regarding the 6 scripture studies that he wrote:.

  "that is to say, they are not merely comments on the bible, but they are practically the bible itself...".

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  AnneB

  Read through the thread and remembered point #3...now I can't find the Edit feature!

  3.) Studies in the Scriptures went through several revisions over the years. The earlier versions were, indeed, quite different in perspective from the later ones. Remember reading about the split in the WT after Russell's death, with Rutherford horning in and taking things in a direction Russell never considered? Well, it led to certain legal issues, one of which was "who owns the rights to early publications?". Actually, WT doesn't own the publishing rights to lots of earlier stuff including Studies in the Scriptures and (big surprise here) the Photodrama of Creation! The group now known as the Associated Bible Students has the rights to the early stuff! You can order copies of the Studies from them for a reasonable price and they are quite happy to share. WT never talks about that, do they! As far as the Photodrama is concerned, WT always shows the same roughly-7-minute clip...'cause that's all they own! The rest isn't "lost" in the manner that they imply (damaged, destroyed), it's lost as in "we lost the rights when Rutherford did his hostile takeover"!

  Lots to consider. The Bible isn't the "Word of God" (and that WT publication is something I get angry about whenever I think of it). Scripture is different than Bible. Russell wasn't out to save the world, he was simply trying to save the Jews (in his later years). WT is....well, I'll leave that to the reader to decide; I know what I think.
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  Can we understand the Bible without the Watchtower?

  by brotherdan in

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  2. bible

  not according to c.t russell.

  in the september 15, 1910 wt he made these shocking claims regarding the 6 scripture studies that he wrote:.

  "that is to say, they are not merely comments on the bible, but they are practically the bible itself...".

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  AnneB

  1.) As I understand it, Charles Taze Russell was of the opinion that the natural Jews were going to be restored to Israel and that his preaching was centered with that in mind (especially in his later years). It sounds strange considering what WT is today.

  2.) Remember, "The Bible" is just the name given to the cover wrapped around 66-72 (depending on who's counting) books. Think of it this way: you could take a number of books on any topic, say math or gardening, arrange them in some arbitrary order then publish them under one cover, kind of a "best of" volume. That's the idea behind "Bible". Now "Scripture"; that's a different thing altogether! When you read "...all scripture is inspired by God..." don't think of it as meaning each and every line of "The Bible"; think of it more as the stuff in Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. The other book in what some call the "Old Testament" aren't even on par with the God-inspired stuff in the first five, and the stuff in the "New Testament" is more like "what we thought and did once we got interested in the "scriptures"", a journal of how people took what they'd read in "scripture" and applied it. That's a *very* loose explanation; I hope it serves to highlight the difference between "Bible" and "Scripture". The two concepts are not interchangeable.

  3.) Oh, rats! I had a third point in mind but it's taken me so long to write the first two that I forgot what it was! If it comes to me in the time allotted for editing a post I'll come back and add it in. If not, well...you'll know it when you read these lines!
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  strange comment from elder at the meeting today

  by Evidently Apostate in

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  todays watchtower was especially nauseating but during the study one of them made the comment concerning the big a " jehovahs timetable is not contingent on all nations being saturated by the good news".

  the study conductor reafirmed his point and then continued.. wait a fuggin minute!

  there are 1.4 billion chinese on the earth and only 40 million profess christianity.

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  AnneB

  Long ago in a city far, far away, the JW's told me that Daniel spoke of an image with toes made partly of clay. It was explained to me that, in the "march of world powers", that after the "Anglo-American dual world power" fell there would be "anarchy". They said that the toes of clay meant that people wouldn't stick together, hence "anarchy".

  What if they misinterpreted? What if the toes of clay mean "rule by The People" as in People's Republic of China, that is, a communistic form of government? What if, during the time the "toes" are in power, the "Good News" is preached to the people represented by "the toes"....and THEN the end will come?

  That about covers it as far as I'm concerned. WT is so centered on "the end" arriving any day that a further preaching work opening up in the (essentially) untouched part of the world is beyond them.
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  I just watched time disappear ...

  by compound complex in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  good morning, fellow posters.. i got up a few minutes ago to watch time disappear, right before my very eyes - an entire hour, to be exact.

  as the computer clock approached 2:00 a.m. i knew that this would be the first time i had ever done this: see the time go from 1:59 a.m. to 1:00 a.m.. the earth has moved beneath my feet .... please share your clock-watching stories.. or is this going to be a dead thread?.

  thanks, and happy dst.. coco.

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  I read your post then checked the clock. It said 1:11. Oooooooooo....
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  Woman Raised Jehovah's Witness awarded Rhodes Scholarship

  by slimboyfat in

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  sorry if this has been posted already, i don't recall seeing it before.. .

  http://www.wave3.com/global/story.asp?s=11554602.

  first u of l woman awarded rhodes scholarshipposted:

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  AnneB

  "Then again... What kind of congregation does she go to?"

  It's been years ago (late '80's)...

  Rush had a teeeeeny, tiny KH, not much bigger than a good-sized living room. The people were as sweet as they could be. That said, they were also very, very "backwoods". It was like stepping back in time 50 years or more.

  The area is absolutely gorgeous; woods all around. We drove back roads out in service (Rush was a need-great area back then) and there were actually guinea fowl, peafowl, and turkeys walking right on the roads in flocks! They weren't startled by motor vehicles; it seemed that there hadn't been enough around for them to be frightened!

  I loved it there...actually wanted to move there, that's how deeply Rush touched my heart.

  I don't remember any of the people by name any more. I wonder if this girl's family was there when we passed through or if they moved in later.
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  President Carter Hospitalized

  by Bangalore in

  1. social
  2. current

  former president jimmy carter is in hospital.. .

  http://www.reuters.com/article/idustre68t01q2010093http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/09/carter-to-remain-in-hospital-another-night-1/1.

  http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-29/carter-will-spend-second-night-in-hospital-to-recover-from-upset-stomach.html.

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  I'd get sick too if I had to go to Cleveland.
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  Sad, Sad, Sad, and God damn!

  by belbab in

  1. social
  2. current

  i don't know if anyone has posted this, but if so it merits a reposting.

  i am sorry to post it here at the beginning of a new year at a time of happiness.

  http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1143725179/iranian_boys_arm_crushed_for_stealing.

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  AnneB

  http://www.snopes.com/photos/gruesome/crushboy.asp