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  Don't miss the October 14 meeting.

  by Hiddenwindow in

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  here is an idea.

  i am proposing that you join me in doing the following: on sunday, october 14, 2007, i will attend that days meeting at my local kingdom hall and take the opportunity to secretly leave there the book crisis of conscience, by raymond franz.

  i will just place it where it could be found; i will maybe leave it on a seat or under it.

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  Hiddenwindow

  Here is an idea. I am proposing that you join me in doing the following: On Sunday, October 14, 2007, I will attend that day’s meeting at my local Kingdom Hall and take the opportunity to secretly leave there the book Crisis of Conscience, by Raymond Franz. I will just place it where it could be found; I will maybe leave it on a seat or under it. I would like to invite you to do the same. If you are unable to obtain Crisis of Conscience, I recommend that you do the same with some other book, such as The Gentile Times Reconsidered, by Carl Olof Johnson, or a book of your choice that, in your opinion, may cause a similar impact. Let’s make that a big day. I will be posting the same proposition on many other forums. Pass the message. Let’s make the Society become worried about it. We have a little more than two weeks. Remember: Sunday, October 14, 2007 is the date. I will post a reminder two days before that date.
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  Conspiracy against the Watchtower

  by Hiddenwindow in

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  here is one question that has been bothering me for quite some time.

  do you think a revolution, so to speak, within the organization is possible?

  in other words, can any conspiracy against the watchtower succeed?

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  Hiddenwindow

  jws

  That was an excellent analysis.
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  Conspiracy against the Watchtower

  by Hiddenwindow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here is one question that has been bothering me for quite some time.

  do you think a revolution, so to speak, within the organization is possible?

  in other words, can any conspiracy against the watchtower succeed?

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  Here is one question that has been bothering me for quite some time. Do you think a revolution, so to speak, within the Organization is possible? In other words, can any conspiracy against the Watchtower succeed? A moment of profound crisis within the Organization could open the door for the exit of many individuals who are currently being held hostages of the shunning policy and are in fear of losing their families. Bear in mind that most political tyrannies have been destroyed by effect of an internal movement. The same could be true of a religious tyranny. I have discussed the issue with at least two other elders and several ministerial servants and they have deep doubts about it. This is all I can say about them. I have worked out several possible scenarios in which this could happen; that I will present in future posts. In the interim, I would like to hear from you.
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  Sinning against the Holy Spirit - Unforgivable? How does one commit it?

  by Shawn10538 in

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  i seem to remember a doctrine that says that the only sin that is unforgivable is a sin against the holy spirit.

  is apostasy a sin against the holy spirit?

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  Hiddenwindow

  I meant "new light" not "knew light".
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  Sinning against the Holy Spirit - Unforgivable? How does one commit it?

  by Shawn10538 in

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  i seem to remember a doctrine that says that the only sin that is unforgivable is a sin against the holy spirit.

  is apostasy a sin against the holy spirit?

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  Last Sunday’s WT study contains unexpected knew light on the issue of sinning against the Holy Spirit. What has changed? Well, they used to consider that there was in fact a sin that was unforgivable, that after committing such a sin it was not possible to receive forgiveness, which is what the bible seems to suggest. But this knew light, which is indeed total new darkness, reveals that sinning against the Holy Spirit is a combination of blaspheming against something sacred and not repent (see p. 9). It even suggests that had Judas repented for the betrayal, he could have been forgiven (p.10).
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  CO tells us the reason for the Tract Work

  by stillajwexelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok so this was told to the entire congregation by the circuit overseer.

  "the society knows the tract work brings hardly any new disciples in.

  we get a few good experiences out of it and a few start studies and attend a few meetings.

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  The same thing happens in mine. Some of the brothers don't even pick up their 50 tracts or invitations. Many others ask to be given only 20 or 30. I think this may reflect a new kind of attitude among witnesses.
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  Beliefs, Honesty

  by Hiddenwindow in

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  not too long ago, i heard a district overseer say, at a circuit assembly, something astonishing; that he would continue to be a jehovahs witness even if it was proven to him that god does not exist.

  his point was the organization and its moral standards protect people from a lot of trouble and that this by itself is very positive aspect.

  i could not forget such a statement and, just as an exercise, started to pose the following scenario to some of my friends, including several ministerial servants an one elder: if you some how determine that this is not the truth, would you continue to be a witness?

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  Not too long ago, I heard a District Overseer say, at a circuit assembly, something astonishing; that he would continue to be a Jehovah’s Witness even if it was proven to him that God does not exist. His point was the organization and its moral standards protect people from a lot of trouble and that this by itself is very positive aspect. I could not forget such a statement and, just as an exercise, started to pose the following scenario to some of my friends, including several Ministerial Servants an one elder: If you some how determine that this is not the truth, would you continue to be a Witness? To my despair, many of them responded that they would probably remain in the organization because they do not know anything better. This to me was really surprising. But then I started to reason that it takes a lot of courage to be honest and antagonize with an organization that has the power of making your own parents or children reject you for ever or systematically ignore you. Human beings tend to avoid pain and for most people, no doubt, dishonesty is the less painful option. Hence, my question to you: Don’t you think that there may be a large number of witnesses who do not really believe in the WT teachings and remain there only because of the repressive methods of the organization? I mean, the answer may seem quit obvious, but what I mean is that if you believe this may be an issue of great proportions.
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  Is Being A Jehovah's Witness a Mental Disorder?

  by Amber Rose in

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  2. medical

  frequently i have seen the subject of borderlind personallity disorder mentioned on this board.

  many people here feel that friends or relatives display many of the charactaristics of the disorder.

  people with histories of abuse seem to be drawn to this religion.

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  I meant YOURSELF, NOT YOURSELVES
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  Is Being A Jehovah's Witness a Mental Disorder?

  by Amber Rose in

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  2. medical

  frequently i have seen the subject of borderlind personallity disorder mentioned on this board.

  many people here feel that friends or relatives display many of the charactaristics of the disorder.

  people with histories of abuse seem to be drawn to this religion.

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  Hiddenwindow

  Very thoughful and relevant question...I would not be surprised if it is eventually determined that the rigorousity with which the Governing Body treats witnesses is the cause of a colective mental disorder. I think it is virtually impossible to apply yourselve to all this nonsense, the unbearable stupidity of being told even what to eat at midday (like when they tell you not to go out of the Assambly Hall to buy food, but take food from home instead), and come out of that mentally healthy.
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  Elder for 30 years, lost privelages due to WT Education policy

  by justhuman in

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  2. beliefs

  this is a really good one.

  an elder who was serving for more than 30 years, faithfull to the organization at all means, has lost his privelage due to the wt education policy.

  the reason was that he allowed his son to study at the university.

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  Hiddenwindow

  Hello, all:

  This is my first post and I am using it to clarify that there is no such a letter. Altough I have no doubt that parents and young witnesses experience substantial pressure over the "superior education" issue, there is no explicit prohibition yet. I do not have specific information on the elder you refer to on your post, therefore, I cannot opine on that particular case, however, I presume that a given elder would lose his position on the matter only if he adopts a defiant attitude toward the other members of the body of elders. In other worlds, if members of the congregation are spreading rumors on the issue and the elders decide to talk to the elder in question, but he appropriately let them know it is none of their business, then it will turn into a power issue and, given the circumstances, guess on what side would the Society be.