SLIM, I was thinking the same think recently. For the reasons you mentioned, as well as for several articles that use double-speak. As an example, the February Awake has a short article that ends with a phrase that goes like this: life only comes from pre-existing life (do not have the magazine with me an cannot produce an exact quote). That type of language makes me think...it does not deny evolution. I have insisted that either some outrageous new light or some absurd commands are on the way, because there have been multiple recent advices to obey the Slave even when the instructions seem absurd, to act when told even if the instructions do not sound resonable. Some absurdity is on its way. Of course, accepting evolution would be the right thing to do, because it is undeniable, but the point is that, after hammering it for so long, it would mean an incredible transformation of the cult.
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Might the Watchtower Society be preparing accept EVOLUTION soon?
by slimboyfat ini heard a public talk last week that was all about evolution and how it dishonours god, and it struck me just how out of date and confused many of the ideas presented were.
the speaker used the old example of the giraffe's neck, but made the classic mistake of mixing up darwin's theory of natural selection and lamarckism by poking fun at the idea a neck stretched through use could be passed on to offspring.
i wondered how an otherwise intelligent person (as this speaker is) could make such an elementary mistake.. it occurs to me that the society has been writing less and less against evolution in recent years, so there is less up-to-date ammunition for brothers to draw upon in talks.
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Snapped. It just occurred to me that I REALLY hate my life. Mostly all of it.
by easyreader1970 inhere lately, i have just been wishing that i could just fast-forward through my remaining years on earth and just die to get this nonsense all over with.. i have only myself to blame.
if i had gone through with my attempt to leave this hokey religion about sixteen years ago when i attempted to--before i got married and had kids--then maybe i wouldn't be teetering on the very slippery edge of sanity.
instead i punked out, buckled under the threats of shunning and guilt of abandoning family members, and so here i am--looking into the mirror every morning wondering when the nightmare is going to end.
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I am going through an extraordinarily similar situation. I care too much about my children to take the risk of separating from them. I suffer in silence. I am convinced that this is a cult, but the worst part is that I have to contemplate the indoctrination of my children. If I oppose it and separate from my wife, such indoctrination will continue without me. I feel your pain...
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So, there is no everlasting life...
by Quirky1 inme and my jw wifey were talking this morning.
the conversation was about her aunt that's dying of cancer.
we were discussing the issue of death and i mentioned that there is nothing we can do about it and that we will all have to go thru it at one time or another and she agreed and even spoke further about it.. i am thinking wtf, "what about everlasting life", since this is what they preach and are taught.
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My wife usually says that when a family member or relative dies, she does not want people to console her with the resurrection, because that does not eliminate her grief. She presumably beleives in it, but her reaction makes me think she doubts. She does not admit it, of course, as no TRADITIONAL Witness will. The doubters are more than what we think.
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This is important (Quoting Betsy and Jeremy C.)
by Hiddenwindow inthe society insists in its cultish talk.
given the secretive nature of the governing body's delibarations, we do not know what they are preparing for.
both besy and jeremy c. made excellent contributions to a recent thread, and i want to follow up.
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The Society insists in its cultish talk. Given the secretive nature of the Governing Body's delibarations, we do not know what they are preparing for. Both Besy and Jeremy C. made excellent contributions to a recent thread, and I want to follow up. I saw three tv programs last week about cults that started as harmless brotherhoods and ended in the anihilation of many of its members or total seclusion. The Society has been talking a lot about how recent changes in the Organization have to do with the increasing pressures of life. They are faced with either changing the religion to successfully surf the world or hold on to dellusional measures. I may be overreacting, but I believe we are in decisive times. Those of us who have family inside must be alert. Again, thanks Betsy for the quotes (I only include one here but there are more) and Jeremy C. for the brilliant analysis.
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*** w07 12/15 pp. 19-20 pars. 15-16 “Stand Firm and See the Salvation of Jehovah” ***
“‘This is the way. Walk in it, you people,’ in case you people should go to the right or in case you should go to the left.” (Isaiah 30:21) As we get nearer to the outbreak of the great tribulation, we may well receive some detailed instructions. Our safe journey through those troublesome days will depend on our keeping in step with other loyal servants of Jehovah.I commented on this trend in another thread. Witnesses are being systamatically indoctrinated to believe that "instructions" (commands) will come down the pike for which there is no Scriptural precendent or basis. They are also being indoctrinated to believe that their safety will hinge on their unquestioning compliance with such "instructions", even if they do not understand them. Just think about the implications of this.
When an organization reaches this point, the centralized leadership can institute any kind of draconian policies without any Scriptural reason for doing so. What will the deluded subconscious minds of these leaders tell them to do? And how far will the majority of the members go in their misguided allegiance to this kind of system? It makes you think. Yet, this is where the Watchtower organization is headed.
When we look at history, we see that when an organization reaches this tipping point; it's gets very interesting; perhaps a bit frightening. This is the point at which all cultic groups have made their biggest blunders, and where their members have suffered the worst consequences.
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This is important (quoting Jeremy C.)
by Hiddenwindow inthe society insists in its cultish talk.
given the secretive nature of the governing body's delibarations, we do not know what they are preparing for.
both besy and jeremy c. made excellent contributions to a recent thread, and i want to follow up.
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The Society insists in its cultish talk. Given the secretive nature of the Governing Body's delibarations, we do not know what they are preparing for. Both Besy and Jeremy C. made excellent contributions to a recent thread, and I want to follow up. I saw three tv programs last week about cults that started as harmless brotherhoods and ended in the anihilation of many of its members or total seclusion. The Society has been talking a lot about how recent changes in the Organization have to do with the increasing pressures of life. They are faced with either changing the religion to successfully surf the world or hold on to dellusional measures. I may be overreacting, but I believe we are in decisive times. Those of us who have family inside must be alert. Again, thanks Betsy for the quotes (I only include one here but there are more) and Jeremy C. for the brilliant analysis.
Hiddenwindow
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*** w07 12/15 pp. 19-20 pars. 15-16 “Stand Firm and See the Salvation of Jehovah” ***
“‘This is the way. Walk in it, you people,’ in case you people should go to the right or in case you should go to the left.” (Isaiah 30:21) As we get nearer to the outbreak of the great tribulation, we may well receive some detailed instructions. Our safe journey through those troublesome days will depend on our keeping in step with other loyal servants of Jehovah.I commented on this trend in another thread. Witnesses are being systamatically indoctrinated to believe that "instructions" (commands) will come down the pike for which there is no Scriptural precendent or basis. They are also being indoctrinated to believe that their safety will hinge on their unquestioning compliance with such "instructions", even if they do not understand them. Just think about the implications of this.
When an organization reaches this point, the centralized leadership can institute any kind of draconian policies without any Scriptural reason for doing so. What will the deluded subconscious minds of these leaders tell them to do? And how far will the majority of the members go in their misguided allegiance to this kind of system? It makes you think. Yet, this is where the Watchtower organization is headed.
When we look at history, we see that when an organization reaches this tipping point; it's gets very interesting; perhaps a bit frightening. This is the point at which all cultic groups have made their biggest blunders, and where their members have suffered the worst consequences.
Jeremy C.
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The Watch Tower will implode
by Hiddenwindow ini honestly believe that the watch tower's insistence in silencing disent will eventually destroy it.
no one knows at this point how many doubters and closet apostates are still inside.
and the wt itself is unable to identify most of them.
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I honestly believe that the Watch Tower's insistence in silencing disent will eventually destroy it. Think about it. No one knows at this point how many doubters and closet apostates are still inside. And the WT itself is unable to identify most of them. It will take a moment of crisis in the WT for the doubters and closet apostates to emerge, either opposing or leaving. This is not pure speculation, since the same phenomenon has taken place in countries that have lived under political dictatorships, where no one knew before the fall of the regimes how oppressed people really felt and how much they despised the government, take the eastern Europe socialist regimes as an example. In this information age, there is no way for the Society to continue to exercise the level of control they have up to this point, unless they move all Witnesses to an Island. Again, since no one can freely express disent, the WT is sleeping with the enemy.
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By my standards most of them are. If you do not seriously consider the possibility of being wrong about your beliefs or convictions, you are a fanatic.
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Yes, they are; no doubt; absolutely, 100% yes (Oh, my God, I'm answering like a fanatic)
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Jesus DID doubt Jehovah and himself "why has thou forsaken me."
by Witness 007 injesus asked that "lord if this cup can be taken from my....but as you will it.
" and ofcourse while hanging he said "lord lord why have you forsaken me.
" but the watchtower puts a positive spin on this saying he as god's son wasn't doubting or changing his mind...what do you think?
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Of course he expressed doubt. But believers do no approach Jesus' life to confirm if he acted correctly or not. They approach Jesus after deciding that his acts were perfect, whatever they were. If Jesus had said: I hate the Almighty, Cristians would try to circunvent that stating that, since Jesus was also called the Son of Man, the expression I hate the Almighty must be understood as an indication that man's wicked deeds revealed a patent hate against the Almighty.
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Your Opinion: Why Do Some JWs Come Here & Defend The Witnesses?
by minimus inis it that they are masochists?.
they are already being disobedient to the "slave" by coming to these internet sites.. so, why do they do it??
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Because they feel they are wrong and are in desperate need of confirming they are not.