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  Is God just teasing us?

  by joannadandy in

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  ok yesterday i was talking to my dad (moe's thread reminded me) he said something about how bad satan was...and said, yeah but "wasn't it eve and adam's fault?

  i mean yeah satan laid out the sales pitch but they could have said no.

  you know gone home, talked it over with god, it wasn't even that high pressured a sales pitch.

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  funkyderek

  The possibilities as I see them:

  1. God is omniscient. He knew Adam and Eve would sin and what the consequences would be. This leads to the following possibilities:
     a. God is omnipotent and could have created Adam and Eve in a way that they would not sin, and still retain free will but chose not to do so.
     b. God is not omnipotent and had no power to prevent Adam and Eve from sinning. (This would mean that God does not have free will.)
     c. God is not omnipotent and could have prevented Adam and Eve from sinning but not without sacrificing their free will. However, if God is omniscient, then they never really had free will and were predestined by God to sin.
  2. God is not omniscient. He did not know that Adam and Eve would sin. This leads to the following possibilities:
     a. God was not able to know. He could not foresee the consequences of his actions. Presumably he still can't.
     b. God was not willing to know. He could have known but he chose not to, thereby dooming the human race to millennia of suffering

  Would any of the Christians like to pick one of the above scenarios? I think I've covered all possibilities but if not, please feel free to add your own.

  Edited by - funkyderek on 12 December 2002 5:6:5
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  Jehovah does not forget His servants !

  by spectromize in

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  i realize a lot of you here have lost faith in one form or another but i'll i want to say is jehovah god never forgets those who belong to him.

  all the righteous blood spill from abel till this modern day will be accounted for.. .

  there is not a terrorist on this earth that can hide because if you spill righteous blood there will be judgment rendered by jehovah god.

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  funkyderek

  Can somebody please link me to a site where I can read a little something about the J.W's that died at the w.t.c.

  I've seen vast amounts of information about the events of September 11, 2001 but I haven't seen any websites that segregate the victims by religion. People in the real world wouldn't even think of such a thing.
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  whats the last song in the song book?

  by vanilia in

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  2. friends

  i want to join the msn forum site for johos, because i would like to post some subtle but cunning challenging questions to make people think a little, instead of being so damn brain dead.

  im trying to kid them im one of them so i can post.

  can anyone give me the answer to this?.

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  funkyderek

  You should warn people that this is a "trigger thead"!!

  Be thankful I didn't post the lyrics, or the "tune"!
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  whats the last song in the song book?

  by vanilia in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i want to join the msn forum site for johos, because i would like to post some subtle but cunning challenging questions to make people think a little, instead of being so damn brain dead.

  im trying to kid them im one of them so i can post.

  can anyone give me the answer to this?.

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  funkyderek

  It's called "Drawing Close to Jehovah", and it's song no. 225.

  Thanks to http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3997/songbook/sb_targetwin.htm

  Edited by - funkyderek on 11 December 2002 10:48:46
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  Jesus Sacrifice - How Stupid and Illogical

  by MrMoe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jesus dying for our sins... um, why.. because adam made a mistake?

  based upon what?

  jehovah's rules?

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  funkyderek

  "All scripture is God-breathed and useful for teaching, correcting, rebuking, and training in righteousness..."

  That is all the proof you need, the Bible itself declares itself as the Word of God. God does not lie. She also said that she believes in a God, so why do you not believe what He says?

  Congratulations! We have a new winner in the quest for the most illogical fundie on the board. (Sorry clash, you're number 2 now.)
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  Could Iraq defeat the US

  by JH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  could a war with iraq be more difficult than expected?

  i found an interesting site, where they claim that iraq could indeed defeat the us.

  tell me your comments after reading it.

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  funkyderek

  I found an interesting site, where they claim that Iraq could indeed defeat the US. Tell me your comments after reading it.

  Strictly speaking, they're not claiming that Iraq could defeat the US but that it will. And what are they basing this on? An informed assessment of the military capabilities of both countries? No, of course not. It's just another wacky interpretation of ancient myths. When it doesn't come true, the nutjobs who came up with it will disappear or revise their interpretation.
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  What if the U.N doesn't find anything in Iraq?

  by kril in

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  it hit me a few days ago.

  what happens if the u.n. searchs iraq and they find nothing?

  i mean it's kind of scary to think what will happen to bush's job approval rating if that happens.

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  funkyderek

  If they discover that Saddam has no weapons, then they'll know he's completely defenseless. Time to strike!
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  Evidence for Evolution?

  by LucidSky in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  all historical and archeological evidence aside, the biggest evidence that convinced me evolution is factual is speciation (also called "micro-evolution").

  this is the transformation of one species into two such that the two can no longer interbreed.

  there is no need for historical evidence to prove this -- cases of speciation have actually been observed.

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  funkyderek

  hooberus,

  Without mutation there could only be a total of four alleles for each gene from a breeding pair. If some of them were lost over time, as you claim is likely, there would obviously be fewer. But in reality, there are many genes with far more than four alleles meaning that either there was more than one breeding pair right at the start (whatever that may mean), or mutations occur and are passed on. Either way, your silly little flood myth is woefully inadequate.
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  Is it acceptable to change your beliefs?

  by kenpodragon in

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  2. friends

  i have mentioned on this board before, that i think the downfall of organized religion rest in the fact that they are to stubborn to change.

  meaning, "what is, will always be.

  " as they feel their teachings are based on god and that is all that matters.

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  funkyderek

  Is it acceptable to change your beliefs?

  Yes, absolutely. In fact, it's imperative to change your beliefs when the available evidence changes. Fortunately, this is not difficult. It's only necessary to be intellectually honest and believe what the available evidence compels you to believe. Those who refuse to change their beliefs in the face of contrary evidence are stupid and/or dishonest.
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  Are You A man Or A Woman?

  by SpannerintheWorks in

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  sometimes, the gender of a poster is relatively easy to deduce due to their style of posting, and, dare i say it, their choice of vocabulatory.

  but sometimes it is difficult to know if you are "talking" to a man or a woman (or homosexual).

  ok, right away, i hear protests of "what the heck does it matter?

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  funkyderek

  For those who aren't sure:

  http://test3.thespark.com/gendertest/