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IT IS I

by Carrot the GREAT in

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hello it's carrot, watersprouts better half.

i have come on as when i ask sprout to type something i want to say, she won't.

it's not always nice.. carrot.

hello all.... some of you have been following our story from the beginning - and even those of you who haven't should be able to relate to my quandary.... last week my 14 year old son told me he no longer wants to be a jw.

we laboured over telling his jw dad all week.

well, on friday night he finally came clean.. but in a bizarre and unexpected twist, after having sex with his girlfriend for the very first time - in his father's home that very afternoon.

yknot

Dayum....when it rains it pours!!!

Okay, it is not really that shocking.

I remember being 14 and I remember some 8th graders actually having had sex.

However in reality just because he can physically doesn't mean he should nor is he emotionally/mentally ready for such actions.

Since this comes as such a shock to yall and while in the throes of JW drama......please , please, please consider getting a family counselor involved. I know that sounds drastic but as CyberJesus was saying the reasons why should be explored and with all the hulabaloo going on an outside unbiased adult can be of considerable help making your lad discern that he needs to refrain until a more appropriate age.

Sex is great, sex is fun but sex is also a privilege that comes with a lot of responsibility......of which no 14yr old in the Westernized civilization is prepared. So you got to say 'stop', no that isn't appropriate and you don't approve.

You would be surprised at how many teens do listen to their parents advice and expectations when dealt with in a calm and informative manner. Further the pursuit of the opposite sex during this part of his life will only detract from him achieving whatever it is he wishes to pursue as an adult, his likes now will change by the time he finishes college and graduate school......

I agree too that he has way too much time on his hands......seeing how he now has one conscious parent....put the boy in sports and other activities that challenge him physically and mentally......visit college campuses and talk about his future, get him more involved in chosing his career choice!

Above all I am sure you boy is a good kid, love him, set limits, give him some distractions, praise him, and tell him he is just going to have to do it manually like all the boys before him until the roof he is under is paid for by him.......give a copy of victoria's secret, some lubrication and wetwipes ......time honored, time tested....

(also invest in a good sex-ed program that reflects your values and expectations, talk to him about abstinence on a regular basis)

IF ALL ELSE FAILS:

a) call the girl's parents

b) military school

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Introducing Myself

by StandFirm in

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hello to jwn!

this is standfirm.

i mainly post on the topix jehovah's witness forum, but i decided to give it a try over here also.

yknot

Oh come-on yall......

Standfirm is way tamer than Bane when he first joined.......

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Standfirm...

You should pick a topic that you feel you can give the best witness!

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Introducing Myself

by StandFirm in

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hello to jwn!

this is standfirm.

i mainly post on the topix jehovah's witness forum, but i decided to give it a try over here also.

yknot

I was part of a denomination in local leadership. The WT is dictating micromanaging decisions and doctrinal changes. This is not parallel to denominational business that does not control and threaten people with DF over manmade, arbitrary rules. We encouraged vs forced obedience to God and did not demand unquestioning loyalty to any man or organization like GB does.

Forced....huh..

Well as far as adult converts after June 1985 goes.....

They are all joined the 'club WTS' on their own free will and this includes compliance with all bylaws and standards of said club......dereliction of club rules allows said club to expell members who fail to meet agreed terms.

or as the Philip Brumley, WTS lawyer more elegantly explained:

represent Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., the parent organization of the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the United States. By means of your numerous letters and telephone calls to this office, I have been informed that your membership in the organizations of Jehovah's Witnesses was terminated when you were disfellowshiped from the English Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, [xyztown], Massachusetts....

The relationship between a congregation and its member is consensual as to both parties. A congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses is a voluntary association. Both the member and the congregation have a right to determine if they will remain united. The member has the right to disassociate himself or herself from the congregation. The congregation also has the right to separate from a member if it is determined by an ecclesiastical tribunal, which Jehovah's Witnesses call a judicial committee, that a member is not conducting his or her life according to the tenets of the religion.

A. If a member no longer wishes to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses, then the member may disassociate himself or herself from the congregation. The term "disassociation" applies to the action taken by a person who, although being a baptized member of the congregation, repudiates his or her Christian standing as such, rejecting the congregation and stating that he or she no longer wants to be recognized or known as one of Jehovah's Witnesses. A brief announcement would be made to inform the congregation that the person has voluntarily disassociated himself or herself from the congregation.

B. If a member is charged with wrongdoing and wishes to continue to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses, then such one should submit to the hearings of the judicial committee. If charges of wrongdoing are brought to the attention of the body of elders of one's congregation, then they investigate the charges. If it is established that there may be substance to the charges and evidence is produced showing that a serious sin actually may have been committed, the congregation's body of elders will assign a judicial committee, consisting usually of three elders, to handle the matter....

II. APPLICABLE SECULAR LAW

C. Relation Between the Congregations and its members. It is axiomatic that the essence of the relationship of a religious society with its members is held by the courts to be the agreement of the parties, and generally, a profession of faith, adherence to the doctrine of the religious society and submission to its government. 76 C.J.S. Religious Societies 11 (1952). A party having voluntarily assented to becoming a member of a congregation thereby subjects himself or herself to the existing rules and procedures of said congregation and cannot deny their existence. All who unite themselves to such a voluntary religious organization do so with the implied consent to this government and are bound to submit to it....

Since you did not disassociate yourself from the organization, then under the law you gave implied consent to its government, subjecting yourself to the existing rules and procedures and being bound legally to submit to it. The theocratic government of the congregation to which you legally submitted includes specifically the legal agency of Jehovah's Witnesses, known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., and all their duly appointed representatives, including the elders of the congregation with which you were associated. The rules and procedures which you subjected yourself to include those of the judicial committee arrangement set forth in detail above....
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Seriously Godrulz...... you screwed up pretty good already with your self-assuming authority. If I was to publically leave the WTS you and the WTS would both denounce my possibilities of receiving salvation, them because of DAing and you because I didn't embrace trinitarism....... it seems to me and several others who have read through your posts you have little else to offer, just another belief system that says it is 'my way or the highway' similar to the WTS.....and that is 'controling' you might do it on the level of the WTS but it is there and that alone is offensive.......pot calling the kettle black!

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Is "Theocratic Warfare" a Guaranteed Right?

by ABibleStudent in

quote from: july 15, 2011 watchtower study guide, left-side insert on page 6. why a russian verdict is reviewed in france.

on february 28, 1996, russia signed the european convention on human rights.

(on may 5, 1998, russia ratified the convention.

yknot

ABibleStudent.....

First people convert based on emotion not full disclosure

Second for as narrowly as you are applying so can it be broadly applied if one was to apply an atheist POV that all religion is lying to ensnare and control.

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BTW I was taught 'strategy'...... the scenarios practiced never involved converting people.

Also very few Witnesses even know of 'strategy'......

The only time an Elder would use it beyond little personality games within congo/circuit is when instructed directly to do so by CO or higher and it would be done on a verbal basis only.

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I also have questions about field service...

by losthobbit in

i never was a jw, so please excuse my lack of knowledge here.... after reading some posts on this forum it seems i've realized that i don't fully understand what field service is.

it seems that field service is the following (and please correct me):.

- something jw's have to do for a specific number of hours per month.

yknot

Also you get to count 'time' each week for studying with un-dunked kid

*** km9/08p.3QuestionBox***

In the past, only the parent conducting a family study with unbaptized children would report the time, even when both parents were involved in the discussion. However, this is being adjusted. If during the family study both parents share together in teaching the children, then both may count a maximum of one hour a week as field service. Of course, parents generally spend much more than one hour a week teaching their children. Training children involves constant effort on the part of both parents. (Deut. 6:6-9) However, the monthly field service report should reflect primarily what is being accomplished in the field. Therefore, no more than one hour a week is to be counted, even if the study lasts longer than an hour, is conducted more than once a week, or separate studies are conducted with the children. Only one parent would report the family Bible study and up to one return visit each week that the study was conducted.

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Introducing Myself

by StandFirm in

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hello to jwn!

this is standfirm.

i mainly post on the topix jehovah's witness forum, but i decided to give it a try over here also.

yknot

Basically, GB has a vote on beliefs, policies, etc. They are imperfect men, even some are bad men, not directed by God (beliefs are contrary to Scripture), yet controlling millions of lives (unlike freedom in biblical Christianity under God).

The statement can equally apply for every denomination that is hierarchical in nature or has 'conferences'.

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Do You Blame Your Current Life's Issues Because You Were A JW?

by minimus in

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do you tend to blame your problems on the fact that you were a jehovah's witness?.

yknot

No....

I know it ultimately always comes down to self-discipline......

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my double life started in third grade...how about you?

by oompa in

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all i discovered back then was i did not feeling like a freak!....i really started liking girls then, so found a way to make valentines and love notes like everyone else even though my parents were very clear to teacher i was to be sitting in the flukkin library for every holiday, birthday, you name it!!!

i wanted cupcakes dammit!!!

and you think i was going to sit there during the pledge of allegience?

yknot

I never had a double life in school.....

The only ones who did were elderkid boys ....

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Introducing Myself

by StandFirm in

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hello to jwn!

this is standfirm.

i mainly post on the topix jehovah's witness forum, but i decided to give it a try over here also.

yknot

Standfirm......

You are really doing well here (esp considering the response you are being swamped with!)

I am enjoying your wit too!

Okay back to 'our kingdom message'........nope that aint it.... but it was an excellent presentation, authoritive, clear, well put together...you would be fun to work with in FS!!

So at this point you need to ask yourself seriously.......what does it mean that you a dedicated (and far less conscious) JW can't articulate our 'truth, gospel or good news of the kingdom'? (and really it is a simple message that can be explained in a single sentence)

At this moment in time , right now you can't tell me or anyone else what our kingdom message is according to the WTS.

Shouldnt this be as common knowledge to you?

Why isn't it common knowledge to you?

Do you want to keep applying yourself in search for the answer (again it is on the CD), take a break and consult with more mature bro/sis in your congregation over the weekend or concede to a fully conscious class Sister who you really have little liking or respect?

Oh on the subject of "Godrulz" .......it is wise to discern whether a debate is worthy versus just shutting a person down because their whole premise is their way is the only way despite being shown otherwise.....debating arius/athanasius would be fruitless with him at this point....a season for all things.....