What are they going to do? Take my birthday away? Oh yeah, they already did!!!
Angie
according to a close relative of mine, you were not supposed to reveal the new book study arrangement to anyone.
it was to be revealed at the k.h., and only there!!!!.
secondly, there is to be no speculation as to what this new arangement means.........so............. no speculating..............please!!!!!!!.
What are they going to do? Take my birthday away? Oh yeah, they already did!!!
Angie
when i was a teenager (especially when i wanted out of the org) i made up excuses to miss the meetings.
i always made sure i brought home lots of notebooks, textbooks, etc so it looked like i had a load of homework to do on meeting nights.
i sat on my bed doing my homework (or writing in my journal) just to get out of another night at the meeting (this didn't work on sunday).
I did the same thing when I was pregnant and taking care of kidlets. It was so sweet of the other "non-mommy" sisters to come back and offer to help so I could sit through part of the meeting, unfortunately my babies were "very" attached to me and wouldn't go to anyone else. I would let my Dad help sometimes though, since he seemed as bored as I was.
i see this a lot on this forum, loads of people saying they left jw's because of "hypocritical ....... ( put elder, pioneer, couple, sister, brother, governing body) here.. but?.
why would you expect any man-run organisation if you believe the bible, to have to be perfect and not be full of imperfect people that will come across as hypocritical?.
the bible examples from israelites onwards name anyone :- moses, king david, pharasees, paul the one thing the bible doesn't do is white-wash them it shows that however much we follow the laws we are always fighting our own imperfection usually failing every time and needing to be corrected sometimes punished (moses had to give-up chance of seeing the foretold land), so why do we hold this against jw's as a reasons not to be a jw's anymore?.
I wasn't "stumbled out" of the Witnesses, I looked at the organization as a whole and failed to see the love that Jesus told us would be obvious among His people. I left because I was following Christ and He led me away from the JWs. I would never allow the actions on one or two people to keep me from serving God.
today i saw 2 elders at my mother's , waiting outside, "worrying" that something might've happened to her because she didn't answer her door.
(i had just brought her back from her doctor's appt.).
when they saw me, one immediately said, we want your number to call you in case we need to get in touch with you.
The elders conned my mom into giving them my new cell number to "inform me of a JC about my conduct." I haven't brightened the door to a KH in 9 years, so I don't know how my conduct could be an issue. Anyway, I recognized the name on my caller ID and refused to answer. Three of them came to my door right before dinner and I decided to have fun.
I opened the door in a panic and told them I was soooo glad to see them. They followed me in, I put them to work wrangling my 5 kids (2 are mine 3 were nieces/nephews all under 5) into washing their hands and eating dinner, I didn't sit down once, but worked like a frantic mom trying to get my kids fed. Then, after loading the dishwasher they helped me buckle the kids into the car and watched me drive away. I think that it wasn't until I was gone that they realized I hadn't talked to any of them. Ha ha. They drove away and I went home to a nice clean kitchen.
i am sure this topic has been covered but i was thinking about it today.
how parents have it about the worse in the org.
for any of us that have publicly left or spoken out against the wts with our parents the reaction is almost always the same, "i have failed as a parent".
I tell my Mom that it is her fault. She raised me to study hard, love God with my whole heart, and have faith that He will take care of me if I follow Him. I studied, I love God and had faith that when I left the JWs for true Christianity I would be happy. She was right, and my happiness is definitely her fault. Funny, it doesn't make 'her' very happy.
the background is that we have been df'd for apostasy and are mostly being shunned.
the grandparents are all still speaking to us, some other relatives (on my side) are shunning us.. so only recently one of these grandparents gets a visit from two elders who inform them their relationship with us is a cause for talk amongst the congregation and it is viewed that they are in danger of becoming a sharer in our wicked works.
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My Mom and Dad keep contact with my brothers and I, two of us are DF the other two were never baptized. They justify the relationship with us by telling the elders that they want to be in the grandkids lives to teach "them" the truth and save them from our wicked ways. That has been working for 5 years.
I truly believe that all that is required is that you find a place in your heart for God.
If you have to follow strict JW rules and work your butt off for their organization to feel close to God, do it.
If you, like me, need only to worship with a community of likeminded people in a local church, do it.
If you feel closest to God sitting on a rock in the middle of His creation, do it.
If you want to call Him some other name, do it.
God judges us in the end, and I'll bet He is not so petty as we humans are when it comes to the 'right' way to worship Him.
i was born into the religion and 3 years ago on april 1st decided to move out i haven't gone since.
i moved out live on my own decided to go to college.
i remember the meetings it was never encouraged to go to college why i ask.
I never understood it until I finally made it to college. You are taught to question everything, including the professor.
-Can you imagine approaching the TMS servant and asking for a better grade on your talk? Ha ha!-
Once you learn the appropriate way to learn and mentally grow, it is nearly impossible to go back to the "answer straight from the paragraph, in your own words from the paragraph" way of 'learning.'
Good luck on your university goals, have a great time. I definitely am at 28 in a liberal arts, religiously affiliated college in my home town. My parents are soooo proud!
A
"if you can find a religion that's better than jehovah's witnesses, let me know where i can find it".....i've heard jws say this in defense of "the truth" that they know is not 100% right.. what would you say to a witness that suggests that jehovah's witnesses are still better than all the others???
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Similar question posed to me by my mother when I told her I didn't consider myself a Witness any longer.
Do you think you can find a better religion than JW?
I said, "I have definitely found a more loving religion, and according to Jesus that is how we should measure his true religion."
i have been disfellowshiped, which i have mentioned before here, i was just wondering if it makes any difference if i disassociated myself now, i mean officially, with a letter, or does it make any difference?
would it also be announced, like the df'ing?
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How can they show who's important or, more accurately, who's 'daddy' is important unless they hold back the best privileges from the general congregation?