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  I am considering suicide...

  by Nebeska Nada in

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  under the wheels of a train.... .

  i feel really bad.... i don't want to be in the cult anymore.... .

  i was thinking about that whole meeting today.... .

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  Rocky_Girl

  A wise woman told me once, when I was teetering on the edge of suicide, that since I was not afraid to die I should think about what I AM afraid to do and then do it.

  And so, I left my abusive husband, enrolled in college, and started checking out other religions. That was 8 years after leaving the JWs. 4 years later, I feel so much more in control of my future. It was so scary to face my JW parents afterward. But, it all turned out okay.

  You are in control of your own destiny! Do something scarier than dying: LIVE.
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  A Shunning Story

  by leavingwt in

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  this is a shunning story that was recently conveyed to me by email.

  i have changed the names/dates to protect the privacy of the individuals.

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  Rocky_Girl

  That is horrible. I keep imagining those little hands clutching her sister's skirt and it makes me cry. I realize that I am so lucky that my parents are too 'weak' to shun more than a week at a time.
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  After leaving Jw's did you go into another religion or serv. god ur own way?

  by average joe in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am just curious if you guys left jw's and now worship in some other relgion or worship in your own way?

  have you sworn off organized religion ?

  if you have not sworn off organized religion then i wonder what relgion seems to be the right one for you guys?

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  Rocky_Girl

  I joined another church when I realized that the JWs were full of crap. That was 7 years after my last meeting.

  I left that religion after a year when I realized that I couldn't accept the illogical Christian doctrines. That was 3 years ago.

  I believe in God. I am not officially part of any religion, but I do go to the Jewish synagogue on Saturday mornings to debate scripture. It is fun.
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  Why doesn't God just take a vote?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wouldn't a loud voice from heaven asking for a show of hands pretty much do away with the need for the preaching/evangelizing work?.

  why is this a stupid question?.

  no, seriously!.

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  Rocky_Girl

  Haha @ sir82 - I love that increasingly inaccurately named Hitchhiker's Trilogy.
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  The Evilness that is Lady Gaga

  by LouBelle in

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  2. friends

  today i got three seperate emails stating that lady gaga has sold her soul to the devil and is using her music and videos to further satan's goals.

  they then go take the various symbology and wording in her music and videos and explain what they mean/represent.

  she is rather wild and out there, and yes i'll admit she does use a lot of symbolism in her music videos.

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  Rocky_Girl

  I think she is the next Madonna. Beautiful voice and willing to push the envelope - and then set it on fire!
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  Your baby has been stolen by the angels......

  by watersprout in

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  i just received this email...... please please stop by ......... boutique and have a go at our raffle??

  some of the proceeds will be going to .......... for permature babies who are sadly stole away to be angels in the sky.. this angered me greatly!

  babies stolen by angels???.

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  Rocky_Girl

  These "comforting phrases" have always bothered me. They always seem to make people feel worse. It really is maddening. I always wondered: if God created everything and loves us all, why would he kill a baby and break so many hearts for another angel? Can't he just create one? Or, seriously, is he so impatient that he can't wait one human lifetime for that baby to live its life and die naturally?

  It is so illogical... But most religious things feel that way to me.
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  I think an undercover apostate was sitting near me at the meeting this afternoon

  by hoser in

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  2. friends

  this brother was sitting near me today at the hall and when the public speaker started talking about the signs of the last days this guy started whispering something to his wife and kind of mocking the speaker in a quiet voice.

  his wife looked really pissed off.. i've suspected this guy before by some of the stuff he's said and done and some of the #3 talks hes given he's gone off the assigned topic quite a bit.. during the wt study i was doing mics and i happened to walk by him several times.

  his wt was on the floor and his bible was opened to topic for conversation at the end of the bible at the last days part.. a little while later his wife gave him the look and said something to him and he picked up his unprepared wt and followed along.. hoser.

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  Rocky_Girl

  I heard that "testimony" before, too. Though, our's used a Catholic priest instead. Probably regional...
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  Cyrus the Great was the Jewish Messiah?

  by sabastious in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/history_of_ancient_israel_and_judah.

  the biblical historythe hebrew bible contains "myths, legends and folktales, sagas, heroic epics, oral traditions, annals, biographies, narrative histories, novellae, belles lettres, proverbs and wisdom-sayings, poetry (including erotic poems ...), prophecy, apocalyptic, and much more ... the whole finally woven into a composite, highly complex literary fabric sometime in the hellenistic era.

  "[2] although tradition ascribes them to times and authors contemporaneous with events, they were in fact written in many cases considerably after the times they describe and by authors with a clear religious and nationalist agenda, and it is therefore critical to treat them with circumspection.[3].

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  Rocky_Girl

  The idea of messiah is different to the Jewish people than it is to Christians. The Hebrew word for messiah actually means "anointed one" and does not imply any ransom sacrifice, perfection, or divine nature.

  You have to look at it from the point of view of the author to get what he means. Namely: Cyrus the Great was used by God to do 'such and such.'
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  Adam and Eve were NEVER perfect.

  by gaiagirl in

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  2. friends

  jw's frequently say that the first human couple were "perfect" and would have lived forever until they gave up perfection by their disobedience.. however, closer reading of the genesis account shows that they were never perfect, instead, they were designed to grow old and die, just like the rest of the animals.

  jehovah has adam name all the animals, but finds that none of the animals is suitable as a companion (wonder how this was determined)?.

  jehovah clones a companion for adam, and tells them to not eat the fruit of a certain tree, or they will die "in that very day".

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  Rocky_Girl

  @ still thinking:

  My whole relationship with God changed when I stopped trying to jam Him into a "human thought" box. We can't know His true nature because he is not like us -human.

  I read the stories in the bible as life lessons, as if it is a book I found at the bookstore. Stories have value, even when they are fiction, because they are written by people who are trying to describe life. The more perspective you get about life, the more you understand.

  I experienced enough theological backflips to last me a lifetime in the JWs. There is no value in trying to make every ENGLISH word that has been translated a million different ways fit into an elaborate pretzel of (anti)logic.

  Who cares if Jehovah is God's name? Or if Jesus is Michael? Or if Satan is YHWH, even? My perception of God and my understanding of Him, through what I see of His creation, is not based on what His name is, or isn't.

  Just say NO to theological pretzels!!!
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  Adam and Eve were NEVER perfect.

  by gaiagirl in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jw's frequently say that the first human couple were "perfect" and would have lived forever until they gave up perfection by their disobedience.. however, closer reading of the genesis account shows that they were never perfect, instead, they were designed to grow old and die, just like the rest of the animals.

  jehovah has adam name all the animals, but finds that none of the animals is suitable as a companion (wonder how this was determined)?.

  jehovah clones a companion for adam, and tells them to not eat the fruit of a certain tree, or they will die "in that very day".

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  Rocky_Girl

  I've come to view the Adam and Eve story as being like growing up and moving out.

  First We are safe in an artificially nurturing environment where we play and eat and sleep, minimal work, and someone bigger than us takes responsibility for us and provides for our needs. *Garden of Eden*

  We get older and suddenly we begin to learn what life is really all about and begin to make some decisions for ourselves. We develop our own tastes and question our parents ideas. *Tree of Knowledge*

  We are encouraged to leave the nest and go to college or get a job or start our own family. Sometimes it is a good separation, sometimes bad. Our parents curse us by saying they hope our kids are just like us -crazy. *Leaving Eden*

  We get a job (plowing for bread) have kids (childbirth) and deal with our own family dramas. Then we return to our parents for advice and continue a relationship that is more two-sided. *After Eden, ie Noah, Moses, etc*

  The only thing missing is the spinning sword of fire guarding the parent's door. Though I glimpse it sometimes when my brothers ask to move back in -LOL!

  This story tells about the journey of life. It has been embellished over the years, but teaches us how much growing up can hurt, but that we will survive. Also, to appreciate how our parents care for us as children so we can return the favor when they grow old. *ideally*