if so, i guess jesus died in vain.
when does a jw know he/she has performed enough works to have eternal life?
do the elders let them know?.
If you were a huge benafactor and you invited a number of people to come and share your home and a meal. How would you feel if they insisted on getting there and doing yard work, house cleaning and window washing before they ate and then again after and then again every weekend for at least two hours?
LD
in the past year, there have been many rumors about changes in the co arrangement as well as disfellowshipping.
i think that there is a solid legal rationale for these proposed changes that relates strongly to these two areas.. it's called 'deep pockets' and the chain of command.. consider the fact that elders are appointed by the watchtower society and have the power to expel members from the entire organization.
this is very different from the first century during which you could be tossed out of one synagogue/church but accepted somewhere else.. the elders send out records of each disfellowshipping to headquarters attesting to the fact that the organization is strongly centralized.
So if there is a new elder's book coming out, sounds like the wisest thing the lawyers could do is make them print a book with blank pages and have the elders write everything down in it.
The CO's could transmit the information verbally during each visit.
Gentlemen, get out your pens
LD
at 10 p.m. est on the show, the secret lives of women.
she'll be talking anout her experiences in and getting ou of the watchtower cult.
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This program was great it's nice to see that people are aware of these destructive cults.
LD
Why not?
i have a question for the regulars on this site which are mainly ex-jws and atheist.
my first question is just for the atheist.
why do you guys spend so much time discussing and researching a book you believe to be fiction?
bluewhatever said:
Wouldn't it make more sense to devote your time to discussing things you believe in rather than a fairy tale? And for the ex- jws (which technically includes atheist) why are you guys coming to a site on a daily/weekly basis to discuss an organization that you are no longer a part of?
First, we do believe in something and it requires our being here. We believe that we need to expose propaganda, manipulation and the subterfuge that SOME organizations use to captivate their followers.
Some examples of those might be ku-klux-klan, the nazi government, the communist government, the Mormons, the Jehovah's Witnesses.
you may know of others oh let's not forget the taliban.
We continue to post on this forum about the Jdubs because this is the organization we know the most about.
As ex-jw's:
pretty much the same reason and we also don't want to see other's being brought into an organization that uses mind control. You only see it when the blinders are removed.
LD
in the past year, there have been many rumors about changes in the co arrangement as well as disfellowshipping.
i think that there is a solid legal rationale for these proposed changes that relates strongly to these two areas.. it's called 'deep pockets' and the chain of command.. consider the fact that elders are appointed by the watchtower society and have the power to expel members from the entire organization.
this is very different from the first century during which you could be tossed out of one synagogue/church but accepted somewhere else.. the elders send out records of each disfellowshipping to headquarters attesting to the fact that the organization is strongly centralized.
Good point metatron:
As many elder schools as I went to and it never really dawned on me that the reason I was doing all that writing was so the bORG could distant themselves from the elders. Just another example of the manipulation of it's members.
PS: I hated those schools and couldn't wait to leave each evening as soon as it was over.
LD
When you trust a fart to be a fart and it turns out to be something else.
LD
talk about a man who always gives it to you straight, and with a sense of humor, too.
never too gruff, but just gruff enough to ruffle some feathers and have a laugh with others as long as they don't take themselves too seriously.
the source of sage advice that's just too simple to be complete bullshit, he is actually more balanced than most.. he's the kind of guy you miss not knowing in real life.. .
Personally, I can't stand him.
What-A-Surprise
LD
what happend to lazarus, the one that jesus ressurected?.
it is "hinted" that there was a plot to kill him to disprove of his ressurection.. anyone know?.
He's the lead Vampire.
LD
watchtower blood transfusion, denys and crile.
watchtower writes:.
it is of no consequence that the blood is taken into the body through the veins instead of the mouth.
Any time the Watchtower want's to prove a point they point to supportive information of WORLDLY PEOPLE they however most often quote out of context to get their spin across so they only quote what they need.
LD
