maybe the effect of this change is bigger than realized?
in 1995, it was discussed (positively) by everybody, during the week we studied the wt.
one elder stepped down and was looked down upon.
1995, 2008, 2010
In football this is known as dodging your potential blockers
If the bORG dodges enough, the rank and file will be so confused they just won't care anymore.
That's what happened and now the bORG will include this new teaching in their many spins on the Bible in the future printings that they do.
Unless, they have another dodge planned
LD
unity identifies true worship........ comments on these 3 paragraghs.
7 the one source of spiritual instruction first-century christians enjoyed unity because they all received encouragement from the same source.
they recognized that jesus was teaching and directing the congregation through a governing body, composed of the apostles and older men in jerusalem.
Kids (well, people 30 or 35 & under) don't take "the truth" as seriously as the GB would like. They view the congregation as a social club, a place to meet & hang out twice a week. Enduring the mind-numbing meetings for 2 hours is the "cover charge".
This is so true, also true is that many go to these meetings out of habit they don't really listen and remember most of what they hear but they go and they go and they think they are pleasing God by going.
The GB must know that today's rank and file are not as devoted as those 30 years ago. They need the rank and file to be devoted to whatever the GB says and that's just not happening as much anymore.
The bORG is fizzling out. Without the totally devoted rank and file, the cash won't be there. They won't be able to keep the propaganda going.
I hope it dies in my lifetime.
LD
wow, dudes and dudess, it really looks like glacial fragmentation is inevitable in the mighty mom.. unless j. mason is making this all up.
but his sources seem credible.. kudos j. mason.. somehow i smell a bill bowen in this.
that makes it hot!
Maybe the Watchtower Society got a hold of Randy while he was sleeping last night and silenced him before he could reveal the details.
LD
evidently the 'boys' haven't gotten all their ducks in a row before printing the book!.
they have issued another boe ltr (will have late sunday or early monday) regarding wedding procedure and scriptural freedom to remarry!.
the ltr is dated oct 12, 2010 (so if anybody has a copy already post it or send it to me and i will post it).
Ahh the first of many updates, changes and clarifications. The Governing Body must be huddled in the inner chambers with a direct line of light connecting them to Jerhoovor and Hayzooce so they can get the message to the gloryass princes of the earth the elders.
Question, are there only 12 chapters to the STFOG book?
LD
yes, that's right, they really do not like people being able to read that book so they wanted links to it removed (it appears they have also been going after the hosts of the content itself as well).. unfortunately, i had to removed the links (which were dead anyway when i checked) and i'd ask that people don't re-post them (sorry).
i'm sure there are lots of alternative ways for those with the information to get it to those who need it.. here are the discussions on the book:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/200524/1/ks10-chapter-one-discussion.
Does the WTBTS really think they are going to keep this information a secret from the public? In this day and age they should know that's impossible. Or are they just plain stupid?
Maybe they should petition Jah to blind the eyes of those who are unworthy to look at the "Shepherd the Flock of God" book or better yet they could pray that God makes all those who look at the book and who are not elders to immediately fall over dead.
Or if Jah didn't want to kill people or blind them then he could just shut down the internet.
Any of you Watchtower men who are spying on this site, start praying now because that's about the only chance in hell you're going to have of keeping this information secret. Are all of you total idiots do you not realize that the internet is more powerful then you and jahoover?
LD
noticed this in the shepherd the flock book in chapter five.. it's a list of things that would merit a judicial committee.. this was one of the things on the list:.
19. gluttony: (prov.
23:20, 21; w04 11/1 pp.
AGuest said:
Hmmmmm... so you believe that gluttony only applies to fat people, dear ldrnomo (peace to you!)? Interesting. The definition doesn't really say that, does it?
I did not say gluttony only applies to fat people as you may have read in my post I said that size would be a good indicator of gluttony. I also mentioned in my post that some people who are overweight may have "glandular problems" or may be "big boned".
I am sure there are thin gluttons but I'm also sure that most gluttons are overweight for the simple reason that they eat too much and they eat the wrong foods.
What happened to the principle of our body being a temple and taking care of the life and body we were given by God a major responsibility on our part?
The Shepherd the flock of God book says and I quote "A glutton routinely shows a lack of restraint" I'm assuming the society was refering to a lack of restraint when it comes to over-eating. So if I am right, and that's what it refers to then I would assume that one who over eats get's fat.
I am also assuming that because you were so quick to try and defend, over eating fat people as not being gluttons, that you may have a few more pounds on you then you should have to be considered healthy.
Are you over weight or fat AGuest?
noticed this in the shepherd the flock book in chapter five.. it's a list of things that would merit a judicial committee.. this was one of the things on the list:.
19. gluttony: (prov.
23:20, 21; w04 11/1 pp.
noticed this in the Shepherd the Flock book in chapter five.
It's a list of things that would merit a Judicial committee.
This was one of the things on the list:
19. Gluttony: (Prov. 23:20, 21; w04 11/1 pp. 30- 31) Aglutton routinely shows a lack of restraint, even gorging himself on food to the point of feeling very uncomfortabl e or becoming sick. Gluttony is determined, not by someone's size , but by bis attitude toward food.
It seems to me that someones size would be a good determining factor on their attitude toward food. Unless of course they are just fat because they have a "glandular problem" or they are just "big boned" LOL these are the usual excuses.
If the elders are not to determine gluttony from size then how do they determine ones attitude toward food?
LD
hello (you know who you are), if you see this thread!
we chatted after he was finished with work.
apparently, i gave away far too many details in the last thread i started.
Can we get disfellowshipped/shunned for being on this forum? Because if we can, technically anyone else can even if they are trolling.
LD
most of us x-jw's at one point no doubt defended the jw's when called a cult.
althought being out since 95', when i first came here it took awhile before i could use the cult word to describe the jw religion.
finding out about the pedophile scandal was disgusting, but it was probably finding out here about the wts history and terrible personal experiences of some on this board that made me finally admit that the jw's were a cult.
miseryloveselders said:
but I still hesitate to call it a cult. Call it my upbringing or background, but I just can't call it that.
When I first stopped going to meetings in 2007 I felt the same way but by 2009 I can now freely refer to the WTBTS as a CULT.
IT IS A CULT!
LD
12-31-00. watchtower.
25 columbia heights.
brooklyn, ny 11201. dear brothers,.
Keep up the work of helping those hurt by the Watchtower Society's pedophile coverup position.
Thanks for speaking out
LD
