I'm a winner here and now. I know lots more. I haven't worked one day for Watch Tower Publishing and Real Estate Corporation in the last 35 years. For me, getting nasty, mean people out of my life forever has been a blessing.
Thanks in part to the Watch Tower Pyramid Scam, I'm street smart and I have really good bullshit detectors. I'm educated, I've seen poverty and I don't want any part of that. I have good personal friends and I don't wish for any people who have shown their bad characters.
I don't see the adult Witness people as victims at all. The only people who are associated with the Witness group are those who willfully choose to be there. I include those to cowardly to leave. They actually are the worst because they support the evil group while not even being believers.
The far left might excuse a believer for being deluded but there's no good excuse for a coward who stays because they're afraid of being shunned by some jerk. The worst of the worst are those who support the Witness group for money, for promise of inheritance, or for living off a Witness who has money. They offend me. I put them two steps below a real Watch Tower Witness.
garybuss
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Sad ending to a sad era ...
by The Berean inwhile i am new to this network, the evidence seems to be overwhelming that the wbts is in decline.
while many voice their pleasure at this prospect, it is in many ways sad for me:.
it is sad that so many have spent such a great quantity of their early lives supporting a cause that appears to have been a waste of time.
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No More Work on Saturdays at Bethels Worldwide
by Lost-In-Translation ina letter was read at tonight's meeting announcing that the governing body has decided to stop work on saturdays at all bethels worldwide.
bethel workers are encouraged to now spend saturdays with their local congregation in field service.
the new arrangement goes into effect june, 2009.. what do you think are the motives for such a change?.
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Let's get this straight . . . We got a factory with free labor? And they're shutting down one day, and we wonder why?
The reason isn't going to be that they can't meet payroll due to the Saturday labor cost. They only reason has to be, that they don't have orders for products to be manufactured, or . . . maybe they have orders but their customers aren't paying for orders placed. Printing is now a liability, not a profit center like it was before the donation agreement.
Let's see . . . They're closing factories, sending workers home, selling buildings, cutting days worked in their factories, and reducing catalog items offered for sale. If this was a Wall Street traded company would you buy it's stock? -
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No More Work on Saturdays at Bethels Worldwide
by Lost-In-Translation ina letter was read at tonight's meeting announcing that the governing body has decided to stop work on saturdays at all bethels worldwide.
bethel workers are encouraged to now spend saturdays with their local congregation in field service.
the new arrangement goes into effect june, 2009.. what do you think are the motives for such a change?.
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garybuss
How much ya wanna bet the workers won't be fed on Saturdays? Me thinks the cooks get the day off too. Hahahaha! $$$$$
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Advice please: Would you loan your copy of Crisis of Conscience to your JW friends or create awareness/curiosity about its existence?
by LUKEWARM inabout 12 months ago i ordered the book.
i thought i was sinning against god - showing a lack of faith in him and in his organization.
i prayed to jah to forgive me but i was curious as to why a person, who spent over 50 years in full time service, was of the anointed and served on the governing body left "gods organization".
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I don't have any JW friends, so that's a short answer. No!
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HOW THE ORGANIZATION HAS LASTED THIS LONG...
by Mary inthis is in response to a post i did on another thread about the borg not having as much swagger as they used to.
it was suggested that i post it under a new topic so here it is.
it's a brief summary of the decades and how they've managed to get away with claiming that 'the end' is nigh for over 130 years now.
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garybuss
I say the Watch Tower Corporation lasts a long time. Not because the Society is so smart, but because the Witness people are so stupid.
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Shortest eldership ever?
by outofthebox inas many of you know, while i was already a member of this forum and very much awake i became an elder.
so, there is no holy spirit involved on those appoinments boys and girls.. i tried my best wake up people, but is not that easy you know.. months later i decided it was enough and decide to move away.
i can't give you any details at the moment, but .... rumor has it, i am not an elder anymore.
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I've come to the conclusion that, for people like my dad, there's so much to be gained for the sad and miserable under matured ego, that the disconfirmations (be they many) can be easily dismissed by a learned excuse or a slogan. The carrier of the disconfirmation can be just as easily dismissed . . . even a son.
The only real acceptance and approval my dad ever got was ego payment for his service with the Witness group. If he had let reality into his life, he would have had unmet human needs and no rational way to get them met. Even though the Witness people were phony and conditional he felt accepted, wanted, loved, and admired due to his earned position of prestige.
For a superstitious, under-educated person, with a miniature ego, those are almost impossible benefits to walk away from. The omnipotent, narcissistic, egocentric, living failure, is doomed to stay in the context that delivers the crumbs to the starving ego. No reality, no disconfirmation, no amount of logic and reason will affect them.
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Shortest eldership ever?
by outofthebox inas many of you know, while i was already a member of this forum and very much awake i became an elder.
so, there is no holy spirit involved on those appoinments boys and girls.. i tried my best wake up people, but is not that easy you know.. months later i decided it was enough and decide to move away.
i can't give you any details at the moment, but .... rumor has it, i am not an elder anymore.
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garybuss
Maybe it was a regional thing. My dad was a company man his whole life and I watched the behind the scenes backbiting, deal making, and structuring for decades. The context was wonderful for my dad. He liked the low life of the Witness hierarchy.
The circuit servants manipulated the elders like pawns on a chessboard. They'd move them from group to group. I think the circuit managers liked to keep a degree of strife in the stir. That way there was always a stoolie for him to milk.
The Witness elders here were the lowest people in the community. Look out if you ever were stupid enough to get mixed up in a business deal with one of em. They were the lowest deal making crooked bastards in business. I got in the way of a couple of them. I got handed my head in business and then at the kingdom hall they'd advise my kids to shun me. -
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A LOOK INSIDE BETHEL LIFE, THE ORGANIZATION BEHIND THE NAME
by Bethelite Elder inwhen i first came to bethel, the going reassurance was that if you stayed more than 5 years, you would be considered permanent.
many of the bethelites bought into the idea and stayed many years.
however, a few years back they had a test of faith.
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garybuss
Anybody stupid enough to go into that scam game deserves to get screwed on the backside. It's something like going to Vegas and complaining about loosing money on a casino game. The object of the system is to milk the suckers.
I remember at assemblies the idiots would line up trying to get accepted to Bethel (Vegas) jobs. I'm glad they're getting screwed over. That's the natural outcome of their decisions. These are the people who supported the people who caused so much trouble in my life. If I can make life worse for them, let me know how. -
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Shortest eldership ever?
by outofthebox inas many of you know, while i was already a member of this forum and very much awake i became an elder.
so, there is no holy spirit involved on those appoinments boys and girls.. i tried my best wake up people, but is not that easy you know.. months later i decided it was enough and decide to move away.
i can't give you any details at the moment, but .... rumor has it, i am not an elder anymore.
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garybuss
Witness people I know resent elders. Elders resent "other" elders. There's been no obvious love or unity between elders I know, just competition, manipulation, and trickery. It takes about two seconds for one elder to throw another elder under the bus.
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Introducing myself.........
by awildflower inhi all, i've been reading this site for about a month now and decided it was time to jump in.
it is truly a blessing to have people who know exactly what we are going through.
some background, i'll keep it short:.
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garybuss
I didn't have a lot of depression when I was associated with the Jehovah's Witness people, but I did have anxiety caused (I later found) from phobia indoctrination all the way back to age 7.
It was done on purpose by malevolent Witness people who knew exactly what they were doing. It was a pretty nasty thing to do to a kid and an adolescent. I made a job of challenging those fears one by one and not one was real.
Of course the base coat is theism. I didn't get very far in challenging my fears before the subject of theism came up. Interesting that the two guys who helped me work through the theism superstition issues were a Catholic Jesuit and a United States federal judge. I owe them so much. They're both dead now. I still miss them.