the wts proudly proclaims that its 2-witness rule is sufficient to deal with cases of sexual abuse.
and internally they would have the right to hold to that policy.. but they fail to separate the internal handling of the case with the external -- going to the authorities.
the wts uses it 2 things to stop jws from going outside the congregation.. they believe their policy is higher than the world's policies on dealing with the abuse.
The sad and stupid thing is that if they the wts were more victim centric, their reputation would be enhanced on this matter, and the victims would benefit too.
I know a couple of victims of sexual abuse, and the effects are lifelong and profound.
David
my home became my nightmare': a woman recalls her childhood of abuse by her stepfather.
beth ellisafter suffering years of abuse as a child at the hands of her jehovah's witness stepfather, beth ellis (now 30) finally made a statement to the police five years ago.
but, because of the closed nature of her upbringing, getting enough evidence to prove his crime became an ongoing battle.
We can only glimpse at what you went through, it is truly horrid, and the WTS still to this day view themselves as victims, and their reputation to be protected.
I am going to order the book.
David
... how you can take a book written centurys ago, and vague at that, and try to decern what the writers "really" meant and how the doomsday prophecys "really" indicated our times.
doesn't feel like your chasing your tail?
why not, eat and drink for tomorrow you may die?
Non sequitor Perry.
David
i see that you have a lot of snow!
should we do a roll call?
a head count?.
Nah, do not worry, we in the UK talk about the weather whatever the time of year. That being said we are having a long hard winter.
Thanks for your concern though.
David
any of the rhetoric, demands, conciliation, etc., etc., remind you of anything?
wasn't this all how this war started in iraq?
(or the justification for it, anyway?
Interesting article lwt, and the writer and seems to hold a similar view to my own. The most useful approach with regards to Iran is to wait and see, the country is in a state of flux, patience and understanding will reap greater rewards than the rhetoric of the hawks
David
looking back there were quite a few families that did the "oh we're moving" fade.
they would move to a rural area.
or a state or two away.
I did it, not far, though I would still have left, plus I needed a larger house for my growing family. As Scully said it did make things a bit easier.
David
any of the rhetoric, demands, conciliation, etc., etc., remind you of anything?
wasn't this all how this war started in iraq?
(or the justification for it, anyway?
BTS I accused you of having " siege mentality with regards to Iran, because you seem to think that a missile defense is needed.
The passage you cite from Der Spiegel is very interesting, constructive and informative, and says many of the things the i have pointed out, only it is more credible, as it is not nly from and Iranian, but a a senior cleric as well.
Thank you BTS
Regards David
any of the rhetoric, demands, conciliation, etc., etc., remind you of anything?
wasn't this all how this war started in iraq?
(or the justification for it, anyway?
Hi LWT,
I saw these reports too, and I am quite concerned that Iran might implode, that would be the worst of all possible outcomes. The government of Iran, and Ahmadinejad and his backers in particular really do need to listen to the voices of dissent.
What is also interesting is the apparent silence of the military, they could be the king makers in Iran.
David
any of the rhetoric, demands, conciliation, etc., etc., remind you of anything?
wasn't this all how this war started in iraq?
(or the justification for it, anyway?
Thank you for your posts and stimulating an interesting debate.
I think Iran will be mad to even get close to developing any nuclear weapons, Israel will act before ever that happens imo. The Iranian government has, as been said before, is going to use this as a tool to extract concessions from the west, and to play to its own domestic audience
David
any of the rhetoric, demands, conciliation, etc., etc., remind you of anything?
wasn't this all how this war started in iraq?
(or the justification for it, anyway?
And what is your point LWT??
Obama is totally and utterly different from the dolt Bush and his coterie of advisers, this, as I have said before will worry the regime in Tehran. If you have been following the points that I have been making you will see the potential for regime change.
David
