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  I FEEL so bad!!!!

  by SpiceItUp in

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  i just got my cat neutered..... i know its the responsible thing to do...but i still feel horrible about it!.

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  Gedanken

  Don't feel bad - it's one less thing for him/her to worry about. In fact, a lobotomy and that makes almost anyone feel a lot happier.

  Gedanken

  Edited by - Gedanken on 17 July 2002 22:51:52
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  BRITISH MP CALLS FOR GOV. INQUIRY into abuse

  by hawkaw in

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  bill bowen just emailed this to me and i wasn't too sure if had been posted.

  this is very significant.

  if anyone has helen's email or the email of the minister she wrote too asking for the enquiry, please post them.. hawk.

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  Helen Clark can be emailed from this page:

  http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/alms.htm#c
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  ruse

  by teejay in

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  for some reason, and i don't know why, the bbc program has evoked feelings that the dateline program never did.

  i think it must have been the cops.. i was raised with few advantages.

  single (black) mother, raising six children on her own.... no father.

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  teejay,

  Thanks so much for posting that - Panorama evoked similar feelings for me too. But, maybe such trials help us to be better, more thoughtful people. Being a nerd isn't all bad - after all, it makes us think. Sometimes I am glad I was a JW - after all, many people go through life caring only about soaps or money or a new car etc. What matters is where we go from here. Even a sham and a ruse can have its silver lining if we just look for it - e.g., your posts have surely helped many people to put things into perspective....certainly I have valued your insights and honesty.

  Again, thanks for such an insightful and thought-provoing post,

  love,

  Gedanken
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  BBC LIVE Email ForumStarts In 30 Minutes!

  by Englishman in

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  here's the addy, go to forum section pronto!

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/.

  englishman.

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  Based on past Forums it looks like we have to wait till they put the video up. That's a pity, although I suppose we can still email questions and hope they get used.

  G.
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  Another spin on the "2 witnesses"

  by Lady Lee in

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  16 but if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

  ok you go once and try to talk to him and he doesn't listen.

  then you go back and "take with thee one or two more".

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  In Israel two witnesses to a crime were not needed - just sufficient evidence. In the 1st century the instructions were relating primarily to civil disputes between brothers. The admonition not to take your brother to court obviously doesn't apply when a crime has been committed, as stewart is pointing out. If a person is raped that is a crime against the person but also a crime against the state. If the rapist were to be reported by a third party then the victim really has no capacity to "drop charges" - all they could do would be to deny the charges which would be lying. Absent a third party then the victim has the choice, of course, of whether to puruse the matter but, nevertheless, the crime is mandated as such by the state. There is no comparison with civil cases.

  This all becomes quite obvious when one considers the case of murder. Imagine that just one person witnessed an elder murder someone and then the elder managed to get away with the crime. If, down the road, it came to light that the elder did the deed, and that the witness to it kept quiet, what happens to the witness?

  The 2 witnesses ruling has to do only with matters over which the congregation has authority which does not include crimes. Finally, it should be pointed out that the Law was abolished and cannot be used as a basis for the policy - even the new "Worship" book recognizes that by omitting the chapter on what we can learn from the Law that was contained in its forerunner, the "United in Worship" book. So it all hinges on the NT verses which obviously relate only to non criminal matters.

  The Society's response to Panorama is total bunk - by selecting an extreme example - a 16 year old having sex with a 15 year old 20 years ago - they hope to deflect attention from the real problem; 50 and 60 year olds having sex with 6 and 7 year olds right now. It's disgusting and criminal.

  Gedanken
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  Challenge to the Asshole formerly known as Quantum

  by Gedanken in

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  quantum,.

  let's agree to destruct the mormom religion in 10 minutes.

  then we'll do the dubs in 5.. .

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  Quantum,

  After I presented a Mormon colleague with a few observations about his religion - he had approached me to try to convert me - his reaction was much like yours. Essentially he said "I don't have time to discuss it now." And he never has had ever since. The best I could get out of him was that a tapir is actually a type of horse and that cranberries are grapes. Or some such nonsense.

  Your name is quite fitting, though - the quantum uncertainty principle, no?

  Gedanken
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  Challenge to the Asshole formerly known as Quantum

  by Gedanken in

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  quantum,.

  let's agree to destruct the mormom religion in 10 minutes.

  then we'll do the dubs in 5.. .

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  Eman,

  I was in Bristol not two weeks ago. Thought about you since you're in Weston-S-M, yes?

  Yorkshire Pudding is good but I broke down and had some Gary Rhodes Steak and Onion Pud. Evil.

  And found a place where Trophy Bitter was 1.08 a pint....now back in Holy Zion where the beer is watery and

  the locals are mos.

  G.
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  Challenge to the Asshole formerly known as Quantum

  by Gedanken in

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  quantum,.

  let's agree to destruct the mormom religion in 10 minutes.

  then we'll do the dubs in 5.. .

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  Marilyn,

  Sadly, for me at least, you're too astute. It's just that I know more about the dubs....but actually,

  Mo's can be disposed of faster than Dubs. They just don't have the "intellect" the Mos don't.

  Gedanken
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  Challenge to the Asshole formerly known as Quantum

  by Gedanken in

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  quantum,.

  let's agree to destruct the mormom religion in 10 minutes.

  then we'll do the dubs in 5.. .

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  Quantum,

  Let's agree to destruct the Mormom religion in 10 minutes. Then we'll do the dubs in 5.

  Gedanken

  ps: then we can talk kwantum fizix
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  QUANTUM SPEAKS

  by QUANTUM in

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  dear ex jw's:.

  if some of you remember my initial entrance to these boards was commenting on the child abuse situation.

  i stayed to long... i was feeling the tension of several discussions with some of the people i work with who are active jw's.

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  Gedanken

  You're full of shit. I live in Utah and it's clear that you don't know squat about Mormons. Go back to your stinking hole JW troll

  Edited by - Gedanken on 12 July 2002 22:1:44