JW's aren't the only ones refusing blood apparently. Besides,there are thousands diseases out there. Can't test every batch of donated blood for every single one of them. The risk of a blood type mismatch is still high. I'd still take the bloodless approach. Should be a personal decision.
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Proof that the WTS is correct on the blood issue.
by whereami inat least acording to the email going around.. http://www.jg-teksten.nl/noblood.html.
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This made me laugh:Tyson Homosexual wins Track Event
by CaptainSchmideo inhttp://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/07/01/note-to-the-religious-right-auto-replace-is-not-your-friend/.
note to the religious right: auto-replace is not your friendby: steve benen on tuesday, july 1st, 2008 at 12:01 pm - pdt auto-correct can be a very helpful feature of any word-processing program.
but when conservatives use it, they run the risk of embarrassing themselves.. the american family associations onenewsnow website, for example, takes its ap articles and replaces the word gay with the word homosexual.
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Thanks for comic relief, lol.
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Iran vs. Israel - could it be the beginning of Armageddon?
by tartarus ini have recently read in the news that an attack on iran is planned sometime after the olympics in beijing.
here's a bit of background to it:.
when irans fledgling democracy was overthrown with support of cia the shah of iran was giving israel free oil thru a pipeline that still runs thru saudi arabia to a refinery in the israeli city of haifa.
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Some of you might say "Oh, here we go again". LOL, sorry I couldn't help it.:)
I know it's pointless speculation as no one knows the day or the hour. Stll...the latest happenings in the world are quite interesting.
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Iran vs. Israel - could it be the beginning of Armageddon?
by tartarus ini have recently read in the news that an attack on iran is planned sometime after the olympics in beijing.
here's a bit of background to it:.
when irans fledgling democracy was overthrown with support of cia the shah of iran was giving israel free oil thru a pipeline that still runs thru saudi arabia to a refinery in the israeli city of haifa.
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I have recently read in the news that an attack on Iran is planned sometime after the Olympics in Beijing. Here's a bit of background to it:
When Irans fledgling democracy was overthrown with support of CIA the Shah of Iran was giving Israel free oil thru a pipeline that still runs thru Saudi Arabia to a refinery in the Israeli city of Haifa. They have since stopped dealing with Israel denounced the Zionist regime and have funneled money from their huge oil profits to arm Hamas and Hezbollah to attack Israel on it's on soil.
Isreali army conducted massive military exercises last month in the Mediterranean with Nato member Greece. Russians warn not to attack Iran. They have sold the Iranians their S-300 air defense system. It's hard to imagine that US will make the same mistake as they did in the previous invasion of Irak and withdraw from the region without finishing up all their business there. An attack on Iran looks like a real possbility..
The China-US relationship is especially interesting. The People's Bank of China is the largest single foreign holder of American currency - close to 2 trillion by the end of this year. Recent of news of a delegation of senior Federal Reserve officials going over to China to talk about it is the indication that US administraion is concerned about it. Dumping dollars unto the open market by the Chinese of their dollar reserves could bring the dollar and the US economic model to its knees. In fact the real reason for the war in Irak and the threat of war with Iran is precisely that the position the greenback holds as the worlds reserve currency. It was threatened by Saddam Hussein when he switched trading Irak's oil from dollars to Euros. Prior to US and Israel's threat to attack Iran (nuclear threat from Iran is just the smoke screen) Iran has done exactly the same - switched from dollar to Euro in it's oil transactions. Here's a UK TV station's doc on this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFU-_PqGVRs
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEpp9E6aJGw
The real reason for all wars has always been money and human greed.
Disareements in ideology can be overlooked as long as everyone is making money. US criticizies China over human rights while American businesses rush to China to save $$$ on labor. How many plants have been closed in your area in the recent 15-20 years and were moved offshore to China, Vietnam, Malaysia, India, Indonesia or Philippines. Even Mexico has felt this same drain in investment, they can't compete with the Chinese. When was the last time you bought anything labeled "made in USA" (Canada, UK, France, Australia etc.) that didn't have a cheaper Chinese import on the shelf next to it?
It's unlikely the Russians or the Chinese will come to Iran's defense if it is subjected to the same bombing of it's infrustructure that Serbia was subjected to by the NATO forces in the nineties. They might not have to at all. All they have to do is dump the their dollar reserves on the open market. In fact most American analysts already predicting the collapse of the dollar and the US economy in the near future. The US is the only country in the world that doesn't have a Central Bank with gold reserves. To put it plainly - the dollar is basically worthless peace of paper with ink on it.
Here's what one analyst says about the future of America and it's currency:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed4sv6ND5Qo&feature=related
Iran has a long-term oil supply agreement with China and is a good client for the Russia's military industrial complex. As I see it, the Russia-China military block is the new and last king of the North. Russians would gladly enter NATO if their own arms dealers were not in danger of losing their business to the Americans and the Europeans. Also the expansion of NATO next to it's borders and the planned US anti-missile radar in Poland and the Czech republic prompted the former Russian president Putin say that Russian nuclear-armed missiles will be pointed at Europe again.
Brrr, is it cold in here, or what?
Enough to see how the Russia-China tandem vote in the UN's Security Council on key issues as compared to the Anglo-American alliance and it's pretty clear - the Cold war is in full swing, it never stopped. It's a quiet economic war of technical standards,tariff barriers, protectionis measures etc.
Are you scared shitless yet? :)
P.S. It's been 33 years since 1975. We all know who lived that long.
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Unrealized hopes and dreams - crappy reality of life
by tartarus ini am thankful to jehovah's witnesses who taught me the bible.
i still believe it is the word of god.
i have studied other spiritual traditions and have compared different teachings and haven't found one that gives such a positive outlook on the future.
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thanks slappy. It's the experience I had, that convinced me that Jah does guide us, sometimes as if one was a helpless child and helps us when we need it most in most loving and gentle way. . Like opening the Bible at random and my eyes stopping on a verse that helped me to calm my fears.
A few months ago I was in a hospital, going thru a lot. Interviews with shrinks who didn't understand at all for the most part of what I was going thru. By the way being in hospital helped me to appreciate that mental breakdown can happen to pretty much anyone - young, old, poor, rich, straight, gay,moslem, jew, catholic, atheist, in short - anyone, we're all made of the same material. One particular experience stuck in my mind from that time as well. I went outside for a walk, felt agitated, like I had to go somewhere, just run away. I prayed and asked God to help me calm down and regain composure. My head turned involuntarily to a lonely street car passing by. On the side of it were words: " Keep calm. Carry On". I've had others experiences when I prayed and got an immediate answer, too many to mention. I'm sure others have had those too.
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Unrealized hopes and dreams - crappy reality of life
by tartarus ini am thankful to jehovah's witnesses who taught me the bible.
i still believe it is the word of god.
i have studied other spiritual traditions and have compared different teachings and haven't found one that gives such a positive outlook on the future.
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Good stuff everyone, thanks for taking the time to actually read what i have to say and to find something profound to say on the matter without being judgmental or narrow-minded. Thanks for treating my thoughts and concerns with dignity and love. Same thing right back at y'all. Spasibo
Taking it slow is a great advice. I have crashed and burned before when I left, rejecting everything I believed in a very short period of time. It was nuts, my life was a total mess. I partied a lot, chain-smoked,drank , did drugs and experimented with sex like there no tomorrow (well in my view at the time I didn't actually have a tomorrow to look forward too). I needed something to stop the self-destruction course I was on. I think that's why I came back. But there's more.
I had a bit of a weird experience. You can label me a nutcase, but I believe an angel was guiding me back to the congregation. This happened after I left and put myself thru a lot, looking for answers and not findin them and slowly burning out, like a human candle. I was laying on a bed depressed, crying, praying, I called again and again on God, desperate, lost. Asked him to forgive me, said I repented and would like to change, but had no strength or faith left to do anything except lay there and cry helplessly. Some one took me firmly by the wrists, made me get up and led me to the living room. I could hear what he said, but didn't hear a voice, I didn't see anyone either. I could feel him holding my hands he was there, I believed it was Jehovah's messenger sent to help me. He took me to the balcony and told me to jump, I refused, recalling Jesus saying no to Satan's similar request. Then he put made me go down on my knees and my hands behind my back and made me bow. I didn't hear a voice, but I heard in my head "Ask!" I didn't know what it is exactly he wanted me to ask for. "Forgiveness" I heard again. I prayed. I said I wanted to be loved by Jah, wanted to be his servant again and this time I would try harder. He then led to the shower told me to wash myself. After I'd done that he took me out into the hall of of my building and stopped me in front on one of my neighbours doors. MY hand was pulled towards it , I resisted, I knew what he wanted me to do. I hated this situation as hated to preach in the past. I could resist, but didn't , he made me knock. Some South Indian kid opened the door. I was standing there lost for words mumbled "sorry, I don't know what I'm doing here". The kid shouted "NO!" as he slammed the door in my face. Later on my mother came back and saw me in this state of unusual excitement, talking about some one there who wasn't there, she didn't see anyone next to me and didn't hear any voice other than hers and mine, but this being (angel) kept on holding one of my hands firmly throughout the whole day, guiding me like a child to get dressed, pick up my books and all the way to the Kingdom Hall. I literally couldn't see anything around me as my eyes thru the meeting were full of tears, they kept on falling, I couldn't hold back. I felt that invisible hand holding my hand till late evening that Sunday, even going with me for a walk, I sang praises, I sang like a kid "I love Jehovah, Jehovah is my friend". He made my hand go into a "thumbs up" position when I sang and soon let go. I never felt it touch me again. It was hard to believe that it was real, but I know what I felt.
Later on when I resumed studing the Bible and one of Society's books with an elder I told him the whole story. It kind of hurt me at first when he inquired whether I was using drugs, hinted at it being an unclean spirit. I don't care if I'm believed or not - I know what I felt, I heard the voice clearly in my head, I felt the firm grip of my wrists and of my hand. He didn't let go of me for the duration of the whole day that invisible person. After a spiritual experience like that one can never quite be the same. My mother was there, she saw the amazing transformation that took place from that day on. My life changed for the better on in every sense. I quit smoking, slept like a baby again, cared for my health and appearance. Wanted to live again. Took a short course and got a better job. I know this experience is real. The changes in my life were real. Maybe that's why I still believe firmly that God has touched me thru an angel and tried to help me back up.
Anyways, the only person who believed this was my mother as she was actually there and saw me talking to some one who was not there and acting as if I was lead by someone. Others I told this to were skeptical if not worse. Maybe I should have kept this to myself afterall, but I couldn't.
Now, I was taught Jehovah doesn't do any special outreach like that today and Christians don't have the same healing powers and speaking in tongues given by the Holy Spirit in the first century. In other words angels don't actually materialize and become visible, or touch us so we can feel it today like it was back in apostles days. My personal experience contradicts that.
Has anyone ever had an experience like mine, being touched by an invisible being ?
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Unrealized hopes and dreams - crappy reality of life
by tartarus ini am thankful to jehovah's witnesses who taught me the bible.
i still believe it is the word of god.
i have studied other spiritual traditions and have compared different teachings and haven't found one that gives such a positive outlook on the future.
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I remember I had a conversation after I became inactive. The elder was eager to talk as I initiated the contact. I talked about exact same thing - faith. The guy kept on repeating that we have to have works. In the end I didn't feel convinced as I felt that it was faith, not my works past or present that carried me through hard times. What if works are motivated by selfish desire? Can one say that's real faith?
I think only Jah can really determine whether one has faith or not. Yet the elders always try to quantify your faith by how much paper you placed and how much of your time you gave. They equate that to faith. Methinks flawes thinking. Guilt-tripping into submission.
Thanks for wisdom and kind words y'all. To be honest I'm still afraid to even be here, waiting for some awful thing to happen to me as a result of talking to all the happy peeps labeled "apostates". I ain't laughing, the fear is real.
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An Abstract Thought About The New Order
by chrisjoel injust a silly thought.. throughout our reading of the old test.
we are always pointing out that jeh likes to kill ppl when it suits him.
he killed someone just for trying to steady the ark.
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I wondered about something similar to the roach dilemma. Where would all the crap from all them people and animals go? What if say an elephant decided to dump his load on your front yard? Could it be trained like a my dog to poop on command "do your business!" That would require doggie/elephant bags
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Suicides at Bethel
by CunningMan inin another thread (i forget which), someone mentioned that somebody committed suicide at bethel.
is this true and if so, how often does it happen?
how many people did it?
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These cases bring tears to my eyes. I'm shocked.
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You know, I've yet to meet a JW who can explain this
by Lady Zombie ini know that has probably been covered ad infinitum on jwd.
so...... if jehovah is omnipotent, then there is nothing he can't do and nothing he doesn't know.. and, according to jws (as well as most other religions), god is love.
therefore he had to have known, even before creating all of creation, what would happen.
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Ah-h! The mysteries of life. Who knows? The Governing Body of course. They are the channel.