Posts by tartarus

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Shunned again

by tak in

my son called me yesterday, first time in probably 6 weeks, because he lost his car keys, the car is in my name, so i had to get another set from the dealership.

anyways, it doesn't really matter what he called about, it was just in 6 weeks he only calls because he needs something, not a peep before that (very hurtful).

a brother drove him to my office and it was quittin time so i went outside with him and gave him the keys, i was hurt and didn't say much to him.

tartarus

Can't believe you pay his insurance too. Wow, adopt me, please,

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I re-entered the Matrix

by digderidoo in

jw
friends

recently i posted a thread that i no longer wish to take part in discussions here as i felt uncomfortable wt bashing.

however, i feel that i have to start posting if only from time to time as i am at a very different stage as i was only 4 weeks ago.

i know i haven't been 'disfellowshipped' from here, even though i've disagreed with forum rules recently or have i 'disassociated' myself from this board as i still feel myself drawn to it.. i'll try to be brief with this, but the content could be drawn out.. as some of you are aware i have been battling alcoholism or alcohol dependency as i prefer to call it now (thats another story).

tartarus

This is what got me thru my many stays in mental ward:

For I am convinced that neither death nor life nor angels nor governments nor things now here nor things to come nor powers 39 nor height nor depth nor any other creation will be able to separate us from God’s love that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. .

Nothing! Not Jehovah's Witnesses either !

Feels good, doesn't it !

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I re-entered the Matrix

by digderidoo in

jw
friends

recently i posted a thread that i no longer wish to take part in discussions here as i felt uncomfortable wt bashing.

however, i feel that i have to start posting if only from time to time as i am at a very different stage as i was only 4 weeks ago.

i know i haven't been 'disfellowshipped' from here, even though i've disagreed with forum rules recently or have i 'disassociated' myself from this board as i still feel myself drawn to it.. i'll try to be brief with this, but the content could be drawn out.. as some of you are aware i have been battling alcoholism or alcohol dependency as i prefer to call it now (thats another story).

tartarus

Digderidoo, takes courage to admit to a problem and to seek help.

Good thing you came here, stick around, bro. This place has good, compassionate and intelligent folks. I'm surprised that the scary "apostates" turn out to be much better Christians than the often judgmental and self-righteous average JWs.

I've only been here for a short time, but reading thru stories gives me a great deal of courage to deal with my messed up life too (I've had the drinking problem to deal in the past as well)

I say this place can be more spiritual than your local Kingdom Hall.

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Iran vs. Israel - could it be the beginning of Armageddon?

by tartarus in

i have recently read in the news that an attack on iran is planned sometime after the olympics in beijing.

here's a bit of background to it:.

when irans fledgling democracy was overthrown with support of cia the shah of iran was giving israel free oil thru a pipeline that still runs thru saudi arabia to a refinery in the israeli city of haifa.

tartarus

Superfine apostate - LOL:)

Please give me a weeks notice at least, bro.

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Unrealized hopes and dreams - crappy reality of life

by tartarus in

i am thankful to jehovah's witnesses who taught me the bible.

i still believe it is the word of god.

i have studied other spiritual traditions and have compared different teachings and haven't found one that gives such a positive outlook on the future.

tartarus

Thanks LouBelle. Yep, it's a choice. Blue pill, red pill....

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Unrealized hopes and dreams - crappy reality of life

by tartarus in

i am thankful to jehovah's witnesses who taught me the bible.

i still believe it is the word of god.

i have studied other spiritual traditions and have compared different teachings and haven't found one that gives such a positive outlook on the future.

tartarus

Cool stuff, Billy. You make some good points .

I think God works in mysterious ways and doesn't always explain what he's doing or not doing and why. :) Thanks for reading, thanks for advice.

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Iran vs. Israel - could it be the beginning of Armageddon?

by tartarus in

i have recently read in the news that an attack on iran is planned sometime after the olympics in beijing.

here's a bit of background to it:.

when irans fledgling democracy was overthrown with support of cia the shah of iran was giving israel free oil thru a pipeline that still runs thru saudi arabia to a refinery in the israeli city of haifa.

tartarus

Thanks for laying it out justhuman. I think that's the likely scenario, too, duh...:)

Have you read anything above about the possible dollar devaluation? Some government officials in the States (heard on the news today) have actually started talking about bailing out on their foreign debt obligation. WTF?!!!

In other words, they're thinking of telling every central bank in the world that bought their worthless paper money to go F*** themselves ! They won't pay back their debt!

US is the only country in the world whose currency isn't backed by gold reserves. It's backed by a bunch of banks who print it with no restraint. Watch the videos

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Iran vs. Israel - could it be the beginning of Armageddon?

by tartarus in

i have recently read in the news that an attack on iran is planned sometime after the olympics in beijing.

here's a bit of background to it:.

when irans fledgling democracy was overthrown with support of cia the shah of iran was giving israel free oil thru a pipeline that still runs thru saudi arabia to a refinery in the israeli city of haifa.

tartarus

The latest in Russia is the S-400 which they didn't sell to Iran, but kept for themselves.

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Isn't this proof the GB doesn't believe what it preaches?

by nbernat in

if the gb really thought they had the exact truth perfect from flaws, shouldn't they be telling their members, "go look at the apostate stuff-- you'll see it's all lies!

compare it to the bible and you'll see it's all lies!

" that would completely eliminate apostasy if it were all true, no?.

tartarus

don't they think if they're 100% sure that their members are capable of reasoning to the point where they can weight the evidence in FAVOR of the WTS??

That's why I'm here. Associating with ex-JW's helps me sort it out for myself. Some stories are heart-wrenching and very believable, lots of hurt and pain. Loss of friends, family, faith. Books and movies could be made from these.

I don't take everything WTS says at face value. Yet , I don't take everything said here at face value, either. Some folks here have not just left the Org, but their christian faith altogether as well and will try to undermine yours too. I say let them do it, test your faith. See if your faith stands up.

GB believes what it preaches alright. It just doesn't believe you will after talking to these men and women.

GB says it protects you from harm by discouraging contact with these folks and labels them "apostates". The ex-jw's here thing WTS is a brainwashing cult using it's authority to needlessly control every aspect of your life.

I say figure it out for yourself. If you went out in service and an atheist (Hindu, Moslem, Jew or Buddhist) tested your faith, then coming here is no different than that - having your faith tested sometimes by the comments people make.

The truth is somewhere in the middle

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Ran into old JW friend in the airport...Correspondence has ensued...

by Confession in

it was the same weekend that my mom and dad, to my surprise, agreed to meet with me.

i was in midland, michigan, about a month ago, only an hour or so from where they live.

in the airport on monday morning, in walked john, someone i remembered well from the jw congregation of my youth.

tartarus

Sometimes, no matter how much you want something, you just can't have it 'both' ways

Well, he's obviously having it 'both' ways. Out of the Org, but still preaching. He's obviously in the autopilot mode.

I think I'm guilty of that too sometimes, defending the beliefs and JW's as mostly decent folk( but not the Org ). :)

I think everyone is a bit of a Pharisee. Labeling people "Apostates" or "Jdubs" is equally patronizing and hurtful. Labelling WTS as a cult is the same thing it does to label other religions as being part of Babylon the Great.