do dubs still do 2 different types of ministry work?
i recall that saturdays was "magazine work" and sundays "sermon work".. also, did your ministry work tail off long before you left?
i recall, close to the end of my time, suddenly finding myself on a pre-group "effort" and realising that i hadn't knocked on anyone's door for over a year, all my publisher time having come from casual conversations about dubdom.. englishman.
did your ministry work tail off long before you left?
Well, the last 2-3 years before I left, I was borderline inactive -- as I was intermittently throughout my jaydub career. But a year before I left, I told Jehovah in prayer, "I am never witnessing to anyone again! And the elders can just choke on it!"
I kept that promise.
GentlyFeral
The Hokey-Cokey, with its song and actions, is a mimicry of the Roman Catholic Mass.
Ah HA!!!
I've always known the hokey cokey pokey was of the devil, but I thought it was just 'cause it's so banal. But NOW I know WHY!
GentlyFeral
never-been-Catholic, either
did you always know you wanted children?.
if so how did you feel after.. if you do not want children, why?.
i am not sure if i want children and i am interested in all your opinions.
I was 13 when I realized I wanted children. The desire never did go away.
I knew dimly, even then, that the "cute baby" stage wouldn't last. I was depending on my future children to help me see the charm in the "terrible two's", the tree-climbing and leg-breaking years, the terrible teens, and all that.
And so they did. Each era of childhood and youth has brought a different kind of "cute"....
Yes, it's so cute to talk philosophy and magick with your twenty-something kids in the wee hours of the morning :)
GentlyFeral
prisca's topic about personal responsibility vs blaming the jws (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/56286/824979/post.ashx#824979) got me to thinking..... where do you think you'd be if the jws and the wts had never been part of your life?how would your life be different from what it is now?what do you think you might have accomplished or done differently without the encumberances of the jws in your life?what kind of relationship would you have with your family?who would you be?.
there are no right or wrong answers, but think about those what-i-want-to-be-when-i-grow-up ideas you had as children and whether those dreams could have become a reality.. .
love, scully
Well, if I had been able to outgrow my insecurities and grow some self-respect (a task I avoided by getting baptized)...y'all might know me from the movies by now. I wanted to be an actress and would have been a good one.
Without the jaydubs, I might have sought therapy sooner than I did and gotten more good out of it (working on deeper and more important issues than postpartum depression).
Given even a modest amount of success in life, instead of hiding away amongst the other Stepford wives, I might have become a traveler, an adventurer.
Might still have married the same man; he introduced me to the jaydubs but was not baptized when we met. That means I'd still have the same kids, hurrah!
Most conservative positive estimate: I might have been what I am now, only richer and better-educated. I'd certainly be a damn hippie; I loved that stuff and believed in it.
GentlyFeral
...but not necessarily the bible.
do you pray?
what do you call him/her?
funkyderek,
What's the chain of logic that gets you from there to believing that there must be a god? Are you saying you have some extra physiological abilities that skeptics don't have?
Physiological or psychological or both; and, furthermore, I'm not sure whether it's the skeptics (the Power of Rational Thinking TM) or the theists (Gnosis TM) who have the extra abilities. Either theists are hallucinating, or skeptics are blind -- and it's impossible to prove absolutely which is true; nor does it matter, so long as everybody gets to be honest.
Run a websearch using these terms: "tom kunesh atheism". You're in for a treat.
Quote from a sermon about Mr. kunesh: "So why was tom smiling when I voiced my preconceptions about atheism? I think it was because he recognized in me a very common type of modern 'theist.' Yes, I worship at the altar of Science and Rationality. In the 18th century I would have said that the laws of physics can predict the path of every particle in the universe to the last decimal place. Modern discoveries such as the uncertainty principle, Goedel's completeness theorem, and chaos theory have unseated determinism, but in me as within many people today, there is an abiding faith in the bards of Cambridge and Chapel Hill. Our priests teach in the university and design our VCRs. Our bishops chair departments and edit journals. Our Popes are anointed in Stockholm. (Click here to read the rest)
GentlyFeral
from the back of the 8/7/2003 awake!
so, who is this erik haaest, what is he an author of, and why would the 'tower flog the recommendation of a wordly author so enthusiastically?
can any of our european friends enlighten us?
Good ol' WatchTower, associating with people they'd never let loose near their parishioners! LOL
And how. Seems that on this "Sven Hassel" crusade, anyhow, Mr. Haaest is the Matthew Drudge of Denmark.
I just might see if the local libraries have any of Hassel's books in English. Here's a BBC web page that piqued my interest.
gently feral
twickenham stadium.
london.
so i'll drive up there this next coming sunday, stressed to the eyeballs with all the traffic, making wrong turns, panicking when the traffic gets too heavy in central london, wondering if i'm following the right turns, stopping and looking at my a-z, wishing my family we're still with me.
*applause*
So now we get a glimpse of the real Scoob. Your post shows courage & grace. I don't think I can add anything to what's been said in this thread, except a couple URLs:
For living a gay life that doesn't suck: Manifest Love: Build the kind of gay culture you want.
For striking your own balance between gay and JW, without self-hatred and with plenty of moral support: A Common Bond (and don't be scared by the "ex" thing; this group holds annual conventions, and I met one member who's an active elder; stays in for family reasons, mostly). The Gay XJW's can be pretty vitriolic & bitchy if you trigger their defense reflexes, but it isn't any worse than you received here.
Welcome to the big old amazing world, and good luck.
gently feral
a friend and i were chatting tonight and he got on the subject of jw movie themes.
what if wts took over the film industry, what kind of movies would we see (using previous movie titles.
) it was entertaining and i knew you guys could come up with some good ones.. ted jarez and the chamber of secrets.
OK, as late as it is, I wanna play.
I think that's enough for now
gently feral
how much vacation do you get per yr?
according to this article, hard working americans get 8 days off.vacations are being downsized by the same forces that brought us soaring work weeks: labor cutbacks, a sense of false urgency created by tech tools, fear and, most of all, guilt.
managers use the climate of job insecurity to stall, cancel and abbreviate paid leave, while piling on guilt.
SaintSatan,
Just a thought though, if you post where you work, everyone can see it Consider if you want to reveal that info or not.
I believe that's the only clue to my identity that I've ever posted on this board. So, yeah, that cuts the "haystack" down to only a few thousand people for this particular "needle". So much for stalkers, I believe.
Wasn't working here when I was a jaydub, so that's no use to any moles on this board. I don't have any near & dear ones in the WhuffPower Babble & Trick Society, anyway.
GentlyFeral
how much vacation do you get per yr?
according to this article, hard working americans get 8 days off.vacations are being downsized by the same forces that brought us soaring work weeks: labor cutbacks, a sense of false urgency created by tech tools, fear and, most of all, guilt.
managers use the climate of job insecurity to stall, cancel and abbreviate paid leave, while piling on guilt.
I work for Alta Bates Medical Center, which has a nice vacation setup: employees earn about 8 hours' vacation time ("paid time off") and 8 hours' sick leave every pay period. The amount increases slightly with each year of seniority. You can cash out up to half your accumulated/leftover vacation time, but only once a year.
And I'm still getting used to working for a mostly humane company, so I've got about 280 hours' total time off piled up from this year alone. I took a whole week off this summer -- my first real vacation ever while employed -- and used only 40 hours of PTO. Hmm...where can I go next?
gently feral
