i was "counseled"* for being mad that my jw boyfriend began dating my sister.
it was wrong of me to have feelings.
any embarrassment i felt was due to being puffed up with pride.
This thread reminds me of what I just read in the October 2008 public Watchtower, p. 11:
Not content with the principles laid down by Jehovah's Law, legalistically minded rabbis set about establishing exactly - and somewhat arbitrarily - how far a person could walk on the Sabbath....
Has anyone ever been counseled for being "legalistic" or "arbitrary?"
a certain witness,kind of close to me,is insistent that this article confirms her conviction that the wt teaches that jehovah will judge hearts at the "end" and both j w's and non j w's may be saved ....i say that it teaches the opposite.
what do you think?
how do you read it?.
Having learned a bit of Watchtower theocratese, I read this as saying only loyal JWs have any hope of “being saved.” But, were I Joe Householder, I might read this and get a fuzzy impression the Watchtower holds open the possibility that non-JWs may be saved.
I agree with all of you. They've composed the article in such a way as to allow both readings. Later, as a receptive householder advances in study, they can point back to the article and say, “Who are those who cooperate with Jehovah God? Who are those who loyally support God's kingdom? Why, only Jehovah's Witnesses."
below is a picture of what is said to be the burial place of the prophet zachariah.
as you may remember old zac is mainly remembered for calling upon the people of jerusalem to rebuild jehovahs temple here on earth, hes also know as a prophet who foresaw the coming of the messiah.
note the structure of the top of that tomb, its a pyamid.. now take a look at charles taze russells tomb , note the structure.. .
The idea of a pyramid on top the tomb was most likely copied from the pyramids of Egypt
Based on what little I know or can come up with, I agree.
By the way, Jewish tradition (Kohelet Rabbah) links "Zechariah's Tomb" not to the post-exile prophet of the Book of Zechariah but to Zechariah the son of Yehoyada', who was murdered during the reign of Judean King Yo'ash (2 Chronicles 24). On the other hand, local Palestinian Arab tradition calls the monument "Pharaoh's Wife."
Technically, "Zechariah's Tomb" is a nefesh, a monument built near, beside, or over a tomb. Several other structures or n'fashot topped with square or conical pyramids were found around/in Second Temple period Jerusalem: the "Tombs of the Kings," "Absalom's Pillar," and perhaps the Tomb of David. I was told that the First Temple era "Tomb of Pharaoh's Daughter" farther down the Kidron Valley just north of Silwan Village originally was topped with a square pyramid, too.
Thank you for allowing me to ramble and remind myself of what I used to know, or would like to think I used to know...
Sources: this one , that one , Zev Vilnay's Legends of Jerusalem, and old issues of Ariel and Kardom.
as we all know the wt has a special way of treating famous jws, becuase it puts them squarely on the horns of a dilemma.
on the one hand they have angry jws that can't understand the wt societies laxity, and if the wt does df the worldy people see the wt as demented old self righteous christians.. i found this site that talks about famous jws and makes this observation better than i can:.
http://www.adherents.com/people/pj/michael_jackson.htmlyou might wonder why this is so interesting to me.
the one i just made is about how the wbts falsifies it's own history and past writings.
i have put scans up to make comparisons of their lies.
i'm going to be adding a lot more on there so come by and check it out time to time and say hi.
Clear, legible, sourced scans - great! Keep it up!
i've studied many religions since i left the jws.
i've flirted with a few and have actually thought about joining, but in the end i didn't because it didn't feel right--it didn't resonate with me.
in 2001, the year i discovered this forum, i started reading judaism 101 and really enjoyed it.
Kol tuv l'kha u'v'hatzlachah, chaver! All the best to you and success, friend!
Hey, now when certain people come knocking at your door, you can say, "I belong to the original JWs."
hey apostafriends, i eye was scheduled for a procedure to pump dye in me and take pictures of my eye so the ophthalmologist can see the bleeding in my diabetic eyes.
i need laser surgery to stop the bleeding that could encroach on my vision.
this morning i was supposed to go get that done but i awoke with food poisoning.
Belated Happy Birthday!
Several years ago I underwent laser iridotomy for narrow-angle glaucoma. It was almost painless. I think they'll use a lower power setting for the kind of surgery you describe. Best wishes for a speedy and complete recovery from all that ails you!
which,if any personality disorders, do you think watchtower leaders may have suffered from?
Concerning disorders, here are a couple basic references:
DSM Codes by Disorder Category
ICD-10 Home Page (Mental and behavioural disorders are Chapter V, Blocks F00-F99)
PS: Yes, rebel8, I used Google. :)
i can remember singing the song but can any one post a link to when it was incorporated and when it was dropped?
what song was it?.
thanks.
I don't know if this is the same as the Witness hymn, but I distinctly remember "Glorious Things of Thee are Spoken, Zion City of Our God" by the Anglican hymnist John Newton from a time when I visited a church. When the congregation began singing, I experienced a brief moment of "!?!?!?!?."
what i learned/derived from steven lett's dc talk (thanks again, ynot, for providing access to the .mp3 files!).
brother lett - or the committee that produced the talk - really loves food metaphors.well-dressed people, especially children, produce a good witness.if you're an apostate, chances are bad conduct/secret sin/moral depravity made you that way.
apostasy is usually founded on sin and rarely on conviction.the bible is an insufficient - or overly cumbersome - guide to godly conduct.
AK - Jeff, you are correct. This is not a direct quote; it's a summarized impression based on the whole of the talk. See my post on the first page of this thread for a clarification. You can view a transcription of the whole talk at JWS.
I had hoped to be able to listen to and perhaps transcribe the earlier referenced talk that may have gone into more detail about those who "make the sad mistake," but, as of yesterday, almost all of the audio files had been deleted from the site pointed out to me by Ynot.
