Posts by vivalavida

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JWs and piracy (digital kind)

by teel in

i'd like to hear of other people's experience regarding the jws inclination to pirating software, music, films.. this of course is relative to your country.

because i live in a relatively poor country, the rate of piracy is extremely high, individuals practically never buy software, music and films are bought now and then.

this of course is against the law here too.. so what do jws do?

I agree 100% with the fact that the WTS doesn't care about piracy, except when it is its own products. If they did and knowint that, for example, the WTLibrary is used in a lot of third world countries and is considered, as read in another thread, as the "Holy Google", they would have long created an open source version of the program or, at least, a version that would run on Linux or another open source operating system.

The fact that it doesn't exist, forces a lot of them to steal the software. I remember when they changed the program and then it was 'required' to have Windows XP. Several brothers came to me wanting a copy of XP because it was necessary for the "Holy Google".

If there were an open source version, I bet lots of brothers would install it, because lots of them use their computers ONLY (at least that's how they portray it) to check the WTLibrary.

Vivalavida

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"Is It Latter Than You Think" Article in Awake

by Leprechaun in

mary christmas - article in the awake i think it was 1969 or1968 there is a picture of two passenger jets flying into the world trade center buildings, now, what do you think of that.

now, that was some thirty years in advance, and a little more than coincidence.

what the hells up with that folks?

vivalavida

There is also in spanish a song by Ricardo Arjona that has some similarities to what happened in NYC. However, when asked about it, Arjona said, if you have read or watch the news and have a fairly normal brain, it should've been clear that something like this would eventually happen.

Here is an interesting link to the matter: http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa092401b.htm

VLV

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My 16 year old son is starting to see the light

by vivalavida in

on march this year (2009) i dad myself from the jws.

of course, it was nice to finally feel free, real free, after over 40 years of mind control.

i don't write much here but i feel this is worth sharing.. one measure i took before leaving was to take my then 15 year old son for a walk and explain to him that things would be different from the jws standpoint, but that i would always love him and that he could come to me at any time.. one thing that was very hard for me, is the fact that i separated from my wife, with which i was having problems for a long time already.

vivalavida

Black Sheep - Thanks for the tip. I'll see how I will introduce it in our conversations somehow.

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My 16 year old son is starting to see the light

by vivalavida in

on march this year (2009) i dad myself from the jws.

of course, it was nice to finally feel free, real free, after over 40 years of mind control.

i don't write much here but i feel this is worth sharing.. one measure i took before leaving was to take my then 15 year old son for a walk and explain to him that things would be different from the jws standpoint, but that i would always love him and that he could come to me at any time.. one thing that was very hard for me, is the fact that i separated from my wife, with which i was having problems for a long time already.

vivalavida

My girlfriends says exactly the same thing. He's a minor and they trying to walk all over my rights, the good thing though, is that he's very assertive. I just wanted to clarify that this situation was caused mainly by the elders, not by my ex. She actually does not have a problem with me seeing him as long as I don't go all 'apostate preaching' on him. However, I do mention Bible texts sometimes and show him how illogical some of the WTS application of texts are.

On the other hand, I always stress the fact that he has the right to know, not only one side of the story, but both.

Aussie, make sure you stress that you HAVE to be notified BEFORE he's getting baptized as long as he's a minor. In my case, they did all that behind my back thinking I'd oppose. I told my wife that I should have been told because that is supposed to be THE MOST important thing in his life (from her standpoint) and I wanted somehow to be part of it, that I felt betrayed and that it was worse than having him get married behind my back. She actually understood that point but it was already too late, he was already baptized and he has already told me that it was too soon, that he did it under pressure, pressure of getting privileges and so on.

Well anyway, I'll keep you all posted about what happens next.

Vivalivada

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My 16 year old son is starting to see the light

by vivalavida in

on march this year (2009) i dad myself from the jws.

of course, it was nice to finally feel free, real free, after over 40 years of mind control.

i don't write much here but i feel this is worth sharing.. one measure i took before leaving was to take my then 15 year old son for a walk and explain to him that things would be different from the jws standpoint, but that i would always love him and that he could come to me at any time.. one thing that was very hard for me, is the fact that i separated from my wife, with which i was having problems for a long time already.

vivalavida

Well, what really got to them was that it came out that he came to me for permission in 'disobedience' to his mother. That's when they told him, he should stop all contact with me.

Of course, after that, obviously they have their eyes on him now, and have talked to him because he has a 'worldly' girlfriend (his first real girlfriend btw). So reports are that he was seen with her downtown, and pictures of him and the girl together were seen on that social network for school kids.

The good thing though, is that in both occasions, when told to shun me and when told to stop seeing the girl, he politely but firmly refused to do it. Of course, he's just 16 and i'm pretty sure this kind of pressure on him is just starting. Therefore it is very important to me to let him know and show him with facts that the world doesn't end if the elders are not happy with him. Of course, anything I do, is tried to be undone by the mother.

My goal is to give him as much tools as possible, the right kind of tools, and then let him make his decision. Of course, a 16 year old not necessarily can make the best decisions, but that's were my help is offered to him.

Hopefully it will all work out...

VLV

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My 16 year old son is starting to see the light

by vivalavida in

on march this year (2009) i dad myself from the jws.

of course, it was nice to finally feel free, real free, after over 40 years of mind control.

i don't write much here but i feel this is worth sharing.. one measure i took before leaving was to take my then 15 year old son for a walk and explain to him that things would be different from the jws standpoint, but that i would always love him and that he could come to me at any time.. one thing that was very hard for me, is the fact that i separated from my wife, with which i was having problems for a long time already.

vivalavida

That's interesting Lisa what you mention as the reason for her to get baptized. In the case of my son, being already 15 at the time was the desire to have privileges like passing the microphone. Other young kids who were already baptized were having the 'privileges', so he wanted too and got baptized. Sad, isn't it?

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My 16 year old son is starting to see the light

by vivalavida in

on march this year (2009) i dad myself from the jws.

of course, it was nice to finally feel free, real free, after over 40 years of mind control.

i don't write much here but i feel this is worth sharing.. one measure i took before leaving was to take my then 15 year old son for a walk and explain to him that things would be different from the jws standpoint, but that i would always love him and that he could come to me at any time.. one thing that was very hard for me, is the fact that i separated from my wife, with which i was having problems for a long time already.

vivalavida

I think you're right because that's the time when they start anyway to question stuff. They question their parents authority, or any authority for that matter. It's just a matter of channeling it the right way. Providing guidance and the right tools. That's where books like De Bono's come into the picture.

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My 16 year old son is starting to see the light

by vivalavida in

on march this year (2009) i dad myself from the jws.

of course, it was nice to finally feel free, real free, after over 40 years of mind control.

i don't write much here but i feel this is worth sharing.. one measure i took before leaving was to take my then 15 year old son for a walk and explain to him that things would be different from the jws standpoint, but that i would always love him and that he could come to me at any time.. one thing that was very hard for me, is the fact that i separated from my wife, with which i was having problems for a long time already.

vivalavida

Thanks mate, I just found it in german: Wie Kinder richtig denken lernen.

I'll definitely be getting it soon.

Cheers,

VLV

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My 16 year old son is starting to see the light

by vivalavida in

on march this year (2009) i dad myself from the jws.

of course, it was nice to finally feel free, real free, after over 40 years of mind control.

i don't write much here but i feel this is worth sharing.. one measure i took before leaving was to take my then 15 year old son for a walk and explain to him that things would be different from the jws standpoint, but that i would always love him and that he could come to me at any time.. one thing that was very hard for me, is the fact that i separated from my wife, with which i was having problems for a long time already.

vivalavida

Well, it seems that the elders are increasing the pressure on him, since he's now a baptized male, but it does look like it's backfiring on them.

The whole thing with the 'worldly' family came about because there is a girl with whom, as he told me lastnight, he's in love with. Well, the thing is that he was again called by the elders because of this. They even had pictures of him and the girl in a social network similar to Facebook but only for school kids that is very popular in germany. His answer was, well, I love her.

Of course, he's just 16 and this is his first love, so I have to play my cards very carefully. But the way things are going, I do see an opened door of opportunity, to borrow a JW expression...

We'll see how the thing develops.

Black Sheep - Yes I myself love also the De Bono thinking out of the box techniques. But I never thought about passing it to him, great idea. Thanks

alanv - Sorry about your son. I'll try to do my best, but as stated, I have to be careful and not get overexcited.

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My 16 year old son is starting to see the light

by vivalavida in

on march this year (2009) i dad myself from the jws.

of course, it was nice to finally feel free, real free, after over 40 years of mind control.

i don't write much here but i feel this is worth sharing.. one measure i took before leaving was to take my then 15 year old son for a walk and explain to him that things would be different from the jws standpoint, but that i would always love him and that he could come to me at any time.. one thing that was very hard for me, is the fact that i separated from my wife, with which i was having problems for a long time already.

vivalavida

Yes, that's something I was thinking about. Not too much, too fast.

One thing I told him was that in every situation there are two sides. I used the example of a courtroom, there is an accusing lawyer and a defending lawyer and that for the truth to come out, BOTH sides have to be listened to. Apparently that is also on the back of his mind.

On the other side, they managed to have him baptized in the last international convention here in germany. I found out 'after' the fact and now he understands why I was so mad. So I do need to find the point of balance.

The good thing is that he's very assertive. He actually told the elders flat out that he could not do what they were asking from him (to shun me)

Vivalavida