Posts by vivalavida

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There was no central governing body in the first century - Here is proof!!!

by vivalavida in

reading this in 1 cor.

14:26-33 proves that there was no centralized governing body that provided all truths in the first century.

here is the quote:.

vivalavida

Very interesting and different point of view. Thanks George for the link. I enjoyed it.

VLV

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There was no central governing body in the first century - Here is proof!!!

by vivalavida in

reading this in 1 cor.

14:26-33 proves that there was no centralized governing body that provided all truths in the first century.

here is the quote:.

Maybe lots of those prophecies and revelations are reflected in the non-canonical books that did not get picked up or got destroyed after 'christianity' became the official religion and the 'fathers' of the universal church decided what was acceptable and what not.

Vlv

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There was no central governing body in the first century - Here is proof!!!

by vivalavida in

reading this in 1 cor.

14:26-33 proves that there was no centralized governing body that provided all truths in the first century.

here is the quote:.

vivalavida

George, do you have a link?

Vivalavida

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There was no central governing body in the first century - Here is proof!!!

by vivalavida in

reading this in 1 cor.

14:26-33 proves that there was no centralized governing body that provided all truths in the first century.

here is the quote:.

vivalavida

Reading this in 1 Cor. 14:26-33 proves that there was no centralized governing body that provided all truths in the first century. Here is the quote:

26 What is to be done, then, brothers? When YOU come together, one has a psalm, another has a teaching, another has a revelation, another has a tongue, another has an interpretation. Let all things take place for upbuilding. 27 And if someone speaks in a tongue, let it be limited to two or three at the most, and in turns; and let someone translate. 28 But if there be no translator, let him keep silent in the congregation and speak to himself and to God. 29 Further, let two or three prophets speak, and let the others discern the meaning. 30 But if there is a revelation to another one while sitting there, let the first one keep silent. 31 For YOU can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all be encouraged. 32 And [gifts of] the spirit of the prophets are to be controlled by the prophets. 33 For God is [a God], not of disorder, but of peace.

It very clearly states that when brothers came together in any congregation they had:

teachings, which didn't come from the supposed GB in Jerusalem
revelations, which we're to believe explained prophecy and didn't come from Jerusalem
interpretations, which were locally provided and didn't come from Jerusalem
prophets in the congregation, who were there for the encouragement of all in the congregation and had nothing to do with Jerusalem.

This definitely proves that congregations were basically independent and were guided directly by Jesus through holy spirit. This was happening to the Corinthians, not the guys in Jerusalem.

Just something I find interesting as extra argument for those claiming that Jerusalem was the center and fountain of all teachings in the first century.

Vivalavida

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New Generation understanding tied to Freddie Franz

by 5thGeneration in

also don't know if this has been mentioned previously.. our speaker yesterday, gb member br.

pierce, tied the overlap theory directly to fred franz's lifetime.. did anyone else catch this?.

evidently (and i'm paraphrasing), anyone anointed after franz's death in 1992 is not of the 'generation'.. 5th.

vivalavida

Bane,

I normally do not let myself be dragged into discussions like this, although I do enjoy a lot reading them. However, this time I'm going to put my 2 cents in.

First, nobody is editing your comments. You're just either, not paying attention to what you're doing, you do not know how to F O R MAT your comments, or you just RUSH to press Submit without checking first that everything looks the way you want it to look.

Second: Talking about what the disciples did in the first century. They had themselves a belief and yes, it was that BACK THEN the kingdom would be established. That is NOT wrong in and of itself. The BIG problem and the BIG difference between them and today's so called Governing Body is that the latter has PUBLISHED their beliefs for millions to believe as the truth; for millions to see it as a promise of the Creator himself for of humanity. As an example, go to your KH and take an Awake! volume from before 1995 out and look at the masthead. It is a FACT that they presented their OPINION or WISH, if you want, that the generation that saw the things of 1914 was going to be the generation who would see the end of this system of things. This was presented as the Creator's promise and was printed MILLIONS of times for LOTS of years.

Then, it did not happen. The generation that saw the events of 1914 died off. They changed their masthead and the CREATOR'S PROMISE, that was so prominently presented and published all over the world in many, many languages, turned out to be a LIE. Believe me, there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between what they've done and what the first century christians did.

If you can show me where in the Bible, an apostle or a first century christian PUBLISHES his OPINION of when the end is for the rest of his christian fellowship to believe it as truth under the threat of disfellowshipping in case of not accepting it, I will agree with your comparison. The apostle Paul almost gets there when he talks about the rapture in 1 The. 4. Where he says, "we, the living who are surviving", implying that the end would be there before his demise, which, of course, did not happen. But that's now off topic.

You also keep going on and on with "it's a way of keeping on the watch". Well, I'll just mentioned the very fitting example of the "BOY WHO CRIED WOLF". He did KEEP ON THE WATCH in a very similar way like the GB does. What was the result of his KEEPING ON THE WATCH and CRYING WOLF so many times without base like the GB does? The sheep got eaten by the wolves!!!!

Something similar happens with a lot of the witnesses. They are just tired and show it by not being as zealous as the WTS would like them to be.

Third: Your comparison with Moses is definitely not even close to what happens today. Moses, according to the Bible's report, had more than once proven that he had, without a doubt, God's spirit. Just think about it, they had just witnessed ten supernatural plagues that occurred EXACTLY as they were foretold and the opening of the red sea by the power of God. Of course they deserved punishment for murmuring after having witnessed all that. But, what can the GB show for themselves as proof of having God's spirit? The fact that they keep repeating over and over again that they have it, does not count. The fact that there is increase, doesn't count, the fact that there is 'forced' unity under the menace of disfellowshipping and shunning, doesn't count either. Like I said before, they are just like the boy who cried "wolf".

And lastly, the Watchtower Library CD suffers from something called 'revisionism', things get changed and modified to hide or minimize what they actually asserted in the past. Of course, some things were repeated so much over and over and over again, that they cannot just make them go away. For quotes that you can look up on the Watchtower Library CD about 1975, take a look at this and at this (on these two sites, you'll find scans of actual Watchtower literature that you can look up on you CD).

So, what can we say in conclusion? The way the present GB acts is, in no way, even close to what the disciples of the first century did. They did not, generally, published their opinions and, when they did, they said so. And nobody was kicked out just for not believing a false hope. In other words and to use your own example, nobody was kicked out for NOT BELIEVING that the end would come in 33 AD.

Just my 2 cents, even though it looks more like 3.

Vivalavida

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DVD "JW's Faith In Action, part 1 Out of Darkness" Omits! Omits! Omits!

by Wasanelder Once in

i've been watching the new dvd and it is a bull fest about russell.

i haven't even gotten half way and they already excluded one very important bit of information.

you'll recall that russell "lost" his faith and "turning away from church creeds and searching for truth, russell examined some leading oriental religions, only to find these unsatisfying".

vivalavida

I would like to have a link too, it possible.

:)

vivalavida

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Now that's a sink hole! (Guatemala City)

by Think About It in

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sink hole in guatemala city caused by the tropical storm.

i seen a view from the top and you couldn't see the bottom.

vivalavida

Well, if it is a second hole of those dimensions in three years, in the same city... erm, I would start getting worried. Is the city turning into swiss cheese?

vlv

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Take a look at www.freeminds.org about Ray Franz's life

by asilentone in

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vivalavida

very well done,

Vivalavida

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Do You Use Floride?

by sammielee24 in

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i'm a believe in non-floridation because i believe that the introduction of toxins into our bodies does nothing but harm us in the long run.

fluoride has shown up in the blood of newborn babies and given that it affects the neurological systems, and given the fact that parents are warned not to mix formula with tap water in some areas or allow children under the age of 6 to use fluoridated toothpaste, you have to wonder who is making all the money on the product.

i watched a report on this just the other day where a dentist was saying that cavities are down in the popuation but what she didn't point out was all the casualities showing up now with tooth enaml wore off, tooth discolouration, bone loss and some cancer links.

vivalavida

Hi, I haven't read the whole thread. I will, but in the meantime, wanted to write a bit about my experience.

I grew up in a little town in the north coast of Honduras, Central America, with about 10000 inhabitants at the time. There was a river coming down from the mountain and they had a little dam and from there the water was distributed to all the town. The water was not processed at all, but the river made honor to its name which was Cristales, which means crystals, so clean was it and its water.

I grew up drinking this water and all my friends did as well. None of us had any caries until we moved to a bigger city. There was such a lack of tooth decay in town that there was no dentist available in town. He wasn't needed, lol.

My first case of caries appeared when I was about 25 or so, after like 5 or 7 years in the big city after I moved. Of course, our diet was also purely natural, lots of fish, coconut oil, rice, green bananas, plantains, sweet potatoes and so forth. Lots of fruits like mangoes, grapefruit and "Byrsonima crassifolia" which we call Nances. We didn't have money for sweets which I think helped a lot. The ONLY people who had tooth decay were the ones who were sick as kids and were given lots of medicine, which for kids normally came in the form of some syrup.

Up to this day, I get all the time the: "Wow, you have perfect teeth" and so do my friends from back then. So I do believe that one can have good teeth in the absence of fluoride, provided the diet is adequate. I do believe that the absence of fluoride and the abundance of sweets that are readily available could be a bad combination for the teeth. But on the other hand, the absence of fluoride combined with a good diet and the absence of sweets works perfectly ok as well.

That's just my opinion based on my very limited empirical data. One town in the middle of nowhere in Honduras.

Vivalavida

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Comparison of the 2010 "generations" with previous WT declarations

by Doug Mason in

i prepared a pdf that lists previous statements about the wts's "generations".. please let me know if there are any additional examples.. the file is at:.

http://www.jwstudies.com/2010_change_to_generations.pdf .

doug.

vivalavida

Thanks, saved it too.

vivalavida