Posts by civicsi00

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Did Geoffrey Jackson Commit Perjury, or Just "Spiritual Warfare"?

by The Searcher in

mr. jackson was pressured by angus stewart to answer if the org condoned corporal punishment, to which he openly stated that the org does not condone corporal punishment for j.w.

children.

this "fact" has never been revealed in the org's literature, in fact, this article which was published under geoffrey jackson's supervision, by definition demonstrates the org's approval of corporal punishment for j.w.

civicsi00

This part of the interview with GJ disturbed me. How many times was I beaten with the belt because I wouldn't sit still as a very young child at the meetings? How many other kids suffered the same fate? GJ was lying when he said the bOrg does not encourage corporal punishment. The "rod" was always meant as a literal rod, and he knows it. Hell, the Royal Commission knows it. They were the ones who pointed out that their own Bible leads them to that verse in Proverbs! But no, GJ tries to play it off as if "rod" means some sort of metaphor for "loving discipline".

I wish my beatings had been "metaphorically" given to me. LOL

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Thanks WTBS for changing the Kingdom Songs, you freed me!

by StephaneLaliberte in

yesterday, i saw a picture of a family signing kingdom melodies together.

it made me realize a fact that i am somewhat ashamed to admit:.

for over a decade, i have been aware of the false prophecies, the deceptive statements, the lack of scriptural support for many core practices and other issues with the witnesses.

civicsi00

BU2B: " The sad part is that although most of the JWs probably feel like we do about the new songs, most would never admit it. They would not question the "food".

You know what's funny? Shortly after the new music was released, I popped into a kingdom hall for one Sunday session. I pretended I knew nothing about JWs and everyone was polite to me and said Hello (this was at a KH where I knew nobody). But during the 5-minute conversation I held with these JWs, they OPENLY admitted that they did NOT like the new songs! Here I was, a stranger and potential convert for them, and they're bashing the new songs!

I'd have to agree. There is a deep, emotional tie to the old music and when they changed the music, it cut deep for a lot of JWs.

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Letting JESUS refute the Watch Tower blood policies

by Terry in

letting jesus refute the watch tower blood policies.

the watch tower bible and tract society represent itself as christian.. it represents its theology and policies as direct from jehovah god through his son, jesus christ.. further, the governing body of this corporation interposes itself between the mediator, jesus, and the rest of jehovah's (christian) witnesses for the purpose of "feeding them (spiritual) food at the proper time.. the official word of jesus christ is represented in the watch tower's policy on blood transfusions.. in 1998 this statement was made:.

jehovah's witnesses do not accept whole blood, or major components of blood, namely, red blood cells, white blood cells, platelets and plasma.

civicsi00

Terry, I started a topic about this very scripture 6 years ago. I tried to reason with my in-laws that Jesus would have allowed blood transfusions. My sis-in-law was going into the hospital and knew she was going to need blood to survive her operation. Here it is:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/medical/150895/1/Blood-question#.UyCVFPldVZs

This was at a time when I was coming to learn TTATT. This was a dark time for our families...

My sis-in-law didn't make it. My father-in-law is now OUT of the Watchtower and was deeply saddened when he realized he probably could've saved her life (the Power of Attorney was under his control).

No matter how much you try to REASON with a JW, they are so mind-locked with how the GB has interpreted the scriptures that JW's will just NOT see it.

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Do you beleive in ghosts??

by quellycatface in

jw
friends

i was always told it was satan and his demons making people think they exist.

not sure.

i always thought the guy that excavated king tutenkahmun had a curse on him though.. .

civicsi00

This is a topic that has fascinated me ever since about 2 years ago. I, too, used to believe that "ghosts" were just Satan and his demons playing around with us, trying to scare us or make us fear them. But then I started to research this phenomenom and found that life does exist after we die. Many are quick to deny this and dismiss it all as having a logical explanation. I agree that some instances can be disproved, but many more instances cannot.

I highly recommend you watch a TV program called Paranormal Witness. Most of the episodes are on Netflix. Start by watching Season 1, episode 3. The family interviewed had ACTUAL video evidence that something in their house was trying to hurt them. The more I studied events such as these, the more convinced I became that "ghosts" are real. I no longer believe it is Satan or his demons. I believe "ghosts" are people who have died but remain on earth for some unknown reason.

You may also research something called The Scole Experiment. It is a documentary on Netflix as well. The Scole Experiment is about a group of mediums and scientists who came together to study the afterlife during the 80s and 90s. Their findings are interesting as well.

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Growing up as a JW was a form of mental abuse for me

by Miss Fitt in

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civicsi00

You have described exactly how I grew up. I was never physically beat up but the taunts from the other kids was enough to push my self-esteem down further. I also didn't quite fit in in the KH.

Yes, I agree, growing up as a JW is most definitely a form of mental abuse. Not being able to explore one's own personality and imagination is the worst form of theft, since we are left with an empty shell filled with their form of how a person "should be". The GB should answer for all the lives they have taken.

Now I'm 31 years old and I'm barely getting to know even myself. I lack imagination, I struggle to keep friends, and I still don't feel like I belong anywhere (I am fortunate to have some friends from when I was growing up; they didn't give up on me). But I move forward and I strive to be creative and positive as much as possible. As far as I know, we only live once and I feel like I need to do everything I can to move past this; I feel that if I give up now, that they win. And I can't let them win.

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Update on "DA'd/DF'd"...

by Suraj Khan in

since many of you were kind enough to give your responses, or at least share in my confusion, i wanted to take some time to share things that went down in the last few days in my family.. to recap, i was born-in but thankfully the hogwash never took.

i was actively dodging meetings by age 13 by faking illness, usually missing 20 to 25 days of school per year.

i left my family to attend college and was told by a family member that an announcement was made in my local congregation the following year that i was disassociated.

civicsi00

The level of control the WTS had back then was strictly severe, as Blondie pointed out above. Before the age of the internet, when everybody had to rely on a small community of support, it was easy to ostracize and expel any non-believers. With the advent of computers and the internet, people have found it easier to connect with others and expand their community to include many hundreds of like-minded people. It has become harder for the WT to maintain the control they had before, when people were unable to connect with the larger world around them. Much like the Dark Ages, before the printing press.

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Clerics' outrage at Ahmadinejad reminds me of the treatment of a DF person at a Witness funeral

by Steve_C in

image of ahmadinejad consoling chavezs mother angers iranian clericsapparently, showing compassion to a grieving mother is a sin in islam.

the image drew the immediate fury of tehran's religious conservatives.

no unrelated women can be touched unless she is drowning at sea or needs medical treatment," hojat al-islam hossein ibrahimi, a cleric at the society of militant clergy, said, according to iran's al-monitor.

civicsi00

Are Muslims ever happy?

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Bloody Hell! How did I miss the JW Graphic Novel?

by cantleave in

as a comic book fan this makes me cringe!!!.

http://www.jw.org/assets/m/ijw13fr/502013169/ijw13fr_id-502013169_e/502013169_e_cnt_1.pdf.

civicsi00

HAHA, Wow...

And no mention of Lot wanting to give up his daughters to keep the "angels" safe? Are they going to continue the story showing how his daughter's committed incest with their own father to produce children??

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Anyone noticed a curiosity on the Memorial Invitation for 2013 ?

by EdenOne in

i can't scan the memorial invitation for 2013, but i was looking at it today and noticed something curious on the front drawing.. we have jesus as the central figure of the composition.

to his right and bottom, a large crown, in colour, of shiny happy people of diverse origins.. separated from this by the figure of jesus, is another group, a much smaller one, on the left and as if ascending to the top, and grayed.. clearly portrayed in this group is the face of ct russell and apparently william tyndale.

but then, also sarah and abraham and other personalities of the ot seem to be represented there.

civicsi00

Haha, Jesus died for a bunch of beardless bastards. Except for Russell. He got to keep his beard.

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What happened immediately after your Judicial Committee was over?

by civicsi00 in

whenever i went to my judicial committee (over 3 years ago), the elders opened with a prayer for jehbooboo's guidance.

then they followed up with their loyalty question, "do you believe in the faithful and discreet slave?".

of course i answered "no", and shortly thereafter i handed over my disassociation letter.

civicsi00

Thanks everybody for their responses. I feel for some of you. These people are stone cold, and you see it even at the end when they're disfellowshipping you. Lied2NoMore, that would've been the perfect moment to have that baseball bat!! Some of you are completely right, these people should have at least offered one last prayer but that would mean showing compassion, something they lack. JWOP, I thought about doing the same thing and going through an appeal process but I was drained and I didn't want to expend any more energy on them. The elders have too much invested to give anything I would've said a 2nd thought.