Posts by jefferywhat

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Why the Watchtowers "War" argument is totally bogus

by drew sagan in

from my own personal experience the watchtowers position on war always appeared to be one of the most difficult issues to navigate.

a number of times when i was first leaving the wts i spoke with jws who all used this argument to show me how "wrong" i was about the "truth".

while i knew the watchtowers arguments where wrong, i had a very difficult time figuring out exactly why it was wrong.

jefferywhat

.................tumbleweed................

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News from Mother ship

by jefferywhat in

1. bethel in ny suspect high level apostate, cant identify it but know its there.

2. major organizational changes about to start rolling out, one is changes to the "service committee" and titles, po to be done away with, thats all i know for now.

was told that if you are the sort of person that cant handle changes, you wont stay in the org for long.

jefferywhat

The scholar is going to be losing sleep!!

Who's going to break it to him?

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Why they cant change!

by jefferywhat in

they cant change this as it helps them keep jesus in a subservient position.

this is one of the strangest policies of the wt, why would jesus be the "angel" that dragged the jews around the wilderness?

i wonder if this idea of michael being jesus came out around the same time that jesus was no longer worshipped ( 1950's) anyone know?

Michael/jesus

They cant change this as it helps them keep Jesus in a Subservient position.
This is one of the strangest policies of the WT, why would Jesus be the "angel" that dragged the jews around the wilderness?

I wonder if this idea of Michael being Jesus came out around the same time that Jesus was no longer worshipped ( 1950's) Anyone know?

1914

I dont think this date is as important anymore, however 1918 is, its the year of the inspection, the year they won the scholarship, if they change 1914, they will have to rethink their policy on being the only true religion.

The GLOBAL Flood.

If they change this, the old theory of carbon dating being inaccurate prior to the flood would be muted, this would mean that all of the dates reported by science would be provable, this would mean the genealogy of Jesus to Adam would be wrong, thus the whole bible.

BLOOD

If they dilute what the first century governing body( in lower case of course) said then they will dilute their authority and open themselves up to debate.

What else?

Its just I have had questions and have asked them here and searched the WT CD. I have seen some very convincing letters to the GB just get slammed and I realized its because the real issues arent being argued, there is bigger issues behind the scenes.

It all counts for nothing if they were not approved in 1918, their answers are as relevant as my dads and its a waste of time writing a letter to someone who has no real authority.

Their response only matters if you believe they have the authority they say they do.

Thats what is starting to stand out, are they really the FDS, when and if the inspection took place in 1918, how different were we? The more I look, the more I realize we werent that different at all, and on the points we differed, weve changed.

Any other thoughts on what cant change because of.......

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WELCOME NEWBIES - all of you! Check in here, I'm losing track of you.

by AWAKE&WATCHING in

jw
friends

i just saw the eighth post by botheyesopen.

i noticed aliciaj, dogaradodya, chicken little, cognac, hypnotic, mochalatte.. some have been welcomed and some have not.. .

we have so many i can't keep up so.... .

jefferywhat

Here!!

Loving it!

Still not sure here IM heading with it but certainly being entertained and enlightened here.

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News from Mother ship

by jefferywhat in

1. bethel in ny suspect high level apostate, cant identify it but know its there.

2. major organizational changes about to start rolling out, one is changes to the "service committee" and titles, po to be done away with, thats all i know for now.

was told that if you are the sort of person that cant handle changes, you wont stay in the org for long.

jefferywhat

I agree with wha happened?. This will be spun as a head shrinking exercise, a way of getting rid of pride and ego.

At the last DC, after the drama, the brother said, direct from the script talk, "there is no ladder in Jehovahs organisation".

This is a natural follow on from that, but like most things it masks the true reason, or maybe its a bipartite approach.

Its an interesting development though, cant wait to see the reactions of the RF.

Any bethelites here know more?

Im hearing this from someone very close to the GB so it could be "classified" still.

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News from Mother ship

by jefferywhat in

1. bethel in ny suspect high level apostate, cant identify it but know its there.

2. major organizational changes about to start rolling out, one is changes to the "service committee" and titles, po to be done away with, thats all i know for now.

was told that if you are the sort of person that cant handle changes, you wont stay in the org for long.

jefferywhat

Man, I hate my mac sometimes!

Sorry about the ghost posts.

What I meant to say was to Gill.

I agree, everything the WT does is for legal mitigation or financial gain.

If the elders appear to be more autonomous its creates a nice legal gap.

Under the Rutherford org model, the PO is basically a rep of the WT and acts on their instruction.

Get rid of him, have the elders act as a "body" with no unofficial head and WTBS is protected.

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News from Mother ship

by jefferywhat in

1. bethel in ny suspect high level apostate, cant identify it but know its there.

2. major organizational changes about to start rolling out, one is changes to the "service committee" and titles, po to be done away with, thats all i know for now.

was told that if you are the sort of person that cant handle changes, you wont stay in the org for long.

jefferywhat

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News from Mother ship

by jefferywhat in

1. bethel in ny suspect high level apostate, cant identify it but know its there.

2. major organizational changes about to start rolling out, one is changes to the "service committee" and titles, po to be done away with, thats all i know for now.

was told that if you are the sort of person that cant handle changes, you wont stay in the org for long.

jefferywhat

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News from Mother ship

by jefferywhat in

1. bethel in ny suspect high level apostate, cant identify it but know its there.

2. major organizational changes about to start rolling out, one is changes to the "service committee" and titles, po to be done away with, thats all i know for now.

was told that if you are the sort of person that cant handle changes, you wont stay in the org for long.

jefferywhat

Word is that they want to do away with anything that has a connotation of power, i.e Presiding overseer.

Apparently its not just the title but the arrangement of BOE's, all designed to lose the "Boss" mentality.

The old PO's will be PO!

Not before time.

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News from Mother ship

by jefferywhat in

1. bethel in ny suspect high level apostate, cant identify it but know its there.

2. major organizational changes about to start rolling out, one is changes to the "service committee" and titles, po to be done away with, thats all i know for now.

was told that if you are the sort of person that cant handle changes, you wont stay in the org for long.

jefferywhat

1. Bethel in NY suspect high level apostate, cant identify it but know its there.
2. Major Organizational changes about to start rolling out, one is changes to the "service committee" and titles, PO to be done away with, thats all I know for now.

Was told that if you are the sort of person that cant handle changes, you wont stay in the org for long.

Will update as I hear.

JW