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  Other Religions use the Name JEHOVAH too

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

  1. watchtower
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  are jehovah's witnesses really the only religion that promotes and preaches the name of jehovah?.

  jw's are always claiming that they are the only religion that preaches and uses the name jehovah, and that is why only they will be saved.

  for example, look at this quote from the watchtower:.

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  EverAStudent

  dgp got it right!

  The Jews have always known the name "Jehovah" was an English Christian translation error (which was caused when they wrote YHWH with vowels added in such a way that it was intended to make the name unpronouncable in Hebrew). In our present century almost every scholar has accepted that "Jehovah" is indeed a mistaken word from the Middle Ages and have abandoned it (though some die-hards and some uniformed Christians keep it going).

  "--for you shall not worship any other god, for the LORD [YHWH], whose name is Jealous , is a jealous God--

  (Exodus 34:14)
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  My multiple personalities will confuse you!

  by sd-7 in

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  dramatis personae:.

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  sd-7, you'd better be more careful...someone might read that and see all the references to Jesus forgiving sins and repentance bringing salvation and come to the conclusion that you pray to and worship Jesus as..., well..., as the Lord of lords and the King of kings and as Mighty God who sits in the middle of the Throne of God.

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  Were You Embarrassed When Someone "at the door" Knew More About the Bible Than You Did?

  by BabaYaga in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it seems i often encountered "householders" who could rattle off examples of the bible contradicting itself or go into a diatribe about the history of the bible.

  i never knew what to say... but of course i was trained to "know" we were still "right" regardless of their argument, and i somehow still managed to feel holier than thou and left the door feeling sorry for them (rather than foster any dangerous doubts!).

  did you ever feel that someone "at the door" might actually know more about the bible than you did?

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  wobble wrote: "I don't think this shows how well JW's know their Bible. they don't, it just shows the paucity of bible knowledge in the other religions."

  Amen and Amen. And the lack is only getting worse as Bible knowledge is increasingly marginalized and ridiculed by society in general (i.e. only fanatics and loons actually believe what is in the Bible)...sigh...
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  Why did Jesus allow people to believe in falsehood? John 6:51, 52, 66

  by jwusr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why did jesus allow people to believe in falsehood?.

  (john 6:51) 51 i am the living bread that came down from heaven; if anyone eats of this bread he will live forever; and, for a fact, the bread that i shall give is my flesh in behalf of the life of the world.. 52 therefore the jews began contending with one another, saying: how can this man give us his flesh to eat?.

  66 owing to this many of his disciples went off to the things behind and would no longer walk with him.. .

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  EverAStudent

  In addition to the excellent explanation by one of the above posters, it is evident that no thinking person of the day *should* have taken the words literally because Jesus said them while He was still alive. How could the Twelve have eaten His flesh or drunk His blood while He was standing there passing out bread and wine with His own living hands? He had not died yet. Therefore, the Twelve knew it was a metaphor, and so should everyone else.

  As stated before, Jesus said many things that drove unbelievers away from Him. At one point Jesus even scolded a crowd because they only came to Him for the free dinners!

  How many religious leaders today purposely discourage the unfaithful from sticking around? Don't most religious leaders want big crowds to give the appearance of universal appeal and to get larger collections of money?
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  Were You Embarrassed When Someone "at the door" Knew More About the Bible Than You Did?

  by BabaYaga in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it seems i often encountered "householders" who could rattle off examples of the bible contradicting itself or go into a diatribe about the history of the bible.

  i never knew what to say... but of course i was trained to "know" we were still "right" regardless of their argument, and i somehow still managed to feel holier than thou and left the door feeling sorry for them (rather than foster any dangerous doubts!).

  did you ever feel that someone "at the door" might actually know more about the bible than you did?

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  yup...sd-7, I'd like to know what he said and talked about that impressed you...
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  HERE IS YOUR INVITATION

  by iknowall558 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses news, library, history, videos, talks, illustrationsinvitation for memorial day [hd]we would like to invite everyone for this very special occasion remembering jesus death also, he took a loaf, gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to them, saying: this means my body which is to be given in your behalf.

  keep doing this in remembrance of me.

  luke 22:19 ... when: march 30,2010 at 7pm where: kingdom hall of jehovah's witnesses brgy .san anton san pablo city length:2:22

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  I am constantly amzed that the organization can have such an elitist caste system (the annointed and the not) on such public display at a recruiting event!

  When I was studying with some Witnesses I was floored that they think they can acheive any kind of kingdom paradise life without first being born again: "Jesus answered and said to him, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God...unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.'" (John 3:3a,7b)
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  Were You Embarrassed When Someone "at the door" Knew More About the Bible Than You Did?

  by BabaYaga in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it seems i often encountered "householders" who could rattle off examples of the bible contradicting itself or go into a diatribe about the history of the bible.

  i never knew what to say... but of course i was trained to "know" we were still "right" regardless of their argument, and i somehow still managed to feel holier than thou and left the door feeling sorry for them (rather than foster any dangerous doubts!).

  did you ever feel that someone "at the door" might actually know more about the bible than you did?

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  LongHairGal wrote: "Yes, I met somebody like that years ago and it made me feel uncomfortable. I saw how JW logic just didn't work after a certain point and I couldn't wait to escape from his doorstep. I was relieved to walk away even though I felt rather stupid. Afterwards, I really asked myself if I actually believed in what I was preaching and if I actually SHOULD be preaching!"

  How did you answer yourself???? What did you say to yourself?????
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  "We're not here to convince you this is the truth."

  by sd-7 in

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  2. friends

  those were the words of an elder during my judicial committee.

  it's weird that they suddenly came to me, weeks later.

  i can't help recalling the disappointment i felt when i heard that.

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  EverAStudent

  In the Christian church world, convincing others of the truth is the actual job description of a shepherd:

  "Some church members, by misunderstanding Hebrews 13:17, may be intimidated into remaining within a church that they otherwise might have been led out of by guidance from the Holy Spirit.

  Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for you. (Hebrews 13:17)

  Yet, the wording, "obey your leaders and submit to them" is best understood in the Greek as, "be convinced [by the theology] of your leaders and surrender [to their teaching]." It would be inappropriate to use this passage to attempt to argue that pastors can command obedience in all matters of life, such as who to marry or which church to attend. They are Bible teachers and spiritual counselors, not governors, police officers, or legislators. As they convince us of godly living from the pages of God’s Word, so we submit to Christ’s written commandments that we may live holy and productive lives. " (quote from: http://thefaithfulword.org/leavingchurch.html )
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  Making Up Definitions: Death

  by EverAStudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one of the things that has frustrated and bothered me greatly is how the wts has invented their own definitions for koine greek words that already have meanings.

  the word death is one of those.. .

  throughout the past 2000 years the word death has been widely known and accepted to mean not only that the corporeal body has died, but with regard to spirituality, it has meant that one exists forever knowing they are separated from christ and the father.

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  EverAStudent

  fuzzypaul, that is an interesting insight into what Paul was teaching on Mars Hill. Thanks.
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  Making Up Definitions: Death

  by EverAStudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one of the things that has frustrated and bothered me greatly is how the wts has invented their own definitions for koine greek words that already have meanings.

  the word death is one of those.. .

  throughout the past 2000 years the word death has been widely known and accepted to mean not only that the corporeal body has died, but with regard to spirituality, it has meant that one exists forever knowing they are separated from christ and the father.

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  EverAStudent

  When a word, like death, is used only in a secular and spiritually-neutral way, I will generally accept the prevailing definition of the broader society that used the word at the time the word was used. But for spiritually charged words, it seems more prudent for me to rely on a spiritual authority. Which authority? Jesus said "salvation is from the Jews," so I rely on the sacred writings that originated from a Judeo-Christian source.

  If, like the WTS, someone is inclined to reject the Judeo-Christian Bible as an authoritative source of spiritual meaning, then I guess you get to make up for yourself whatever feels good.

  But the WTS should not make up its own definitions and then claim that their new definition was the one that was always in use by the spiritual community. That is dishonest and misleading. Their new definition for death is not the same one found in the Judeo-Christian Bible.