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  What I’ve learned…part 98756202-071-874-865978787a

  by wanderlustguy in

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  people say this, and they say it everywhere, you know what they say about the weather around here, if you dont like it, just wait a minute.

  ok pal, your area isnt f*cking special they say that everywhere except maybe the north and south polesbut i havent been there.

  the whole world is crazy.. losers can have more money than everyone elseand real winners can have less.

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  What I have the most choice in is how I view other people
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  Is Smoking the practice of Spiritism?

  by freedomfighter in

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  hi guys,.

  i was raised as a jw and was baptised when i was 16. i am now 35 and have finally realised that "the truth" is actually the opposite.. my family has a long history of mental illness and i am "lucky" to only suffer deppression and panic attacks.i believe what i was taught as truth has effected me adversely.

  e.g " you won't have to go to school son, armageddon will be here before then.

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  Welcome, Jason! No, smoking is not spiritism, unless you are making some mighty strange definitions of spiritism. The WBTS equates smoking to using might altering drugs, which they say opens the door to evil spirits entering your mind. Wonder why "Gesundheit" is so wrong...
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  Those That Hate God For Suffering

  by writetoknow in

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  glory in tribulations.

  060905 tuesday, september 05, 2006 daily devotional.

  by brent riggs .

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  Article *gag* I don't hate God, just conclude that if he exists he is absent from the outer world. Thanks Nvr, Eryn, eclipse, etc. Exactly. And...I'm back in the room!
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  Somewhere in the middle: Not Christian, Not Atheist

  by darkuncle29 in

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  so, what about those of us in the middle?

  who identify as neither xian or atheist?

  can either side accept/tolerate the middle?

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  What if nvr doesn't believe in me?
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  Watchtower website

  by cooler in

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  my dad was looking and the official watchtower website and he said it has such a truthfull and genine look about it and how i should'nt read the forums because people's opinions on there are misguided and they dont know what their talking about.

  has anyone said anything similar to you?

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  Welcome, cooler. Please take the time to make up your own mind about what to look at and read - it's important to get as many viewpoints as you can about a subject before making a commitment.

  It's easy to dress things up so that they "look" truthful. We all need to read a little more deeply than that...personally, I get a little suspicious when something looks too slick...
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  Somewhere in the middle: Not Christian, Not Atheist

  by darkuncle29 in

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  so, what about those of us in the middle?

  who identify as neither xian or atheist?

  can either side accept/tolerate the middle?

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  I'm a little Jeff-ist, myself, too.

  There is still something seductive to me in explaining my experience of existing into a theistic context, I would like to show respect for the possibility of a Divine Source by at leats not denying it's existence; and perhaps that's still the best way to conventionalize such discussions for me. But I've been looking at how this image of "God" lives for me, what purposes I put it to, and can only conclude that I use my concept of God as a reason or excuse to be the best I can be - and maybe I don't need an excuse for that anymore.

  Maybe it's time I take a greater degree of responsibility and accountibility for the "good" things about me rather than giving that power away, or thinking I need a reason for it.
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  Creationism is Stupid, Stupid, STOOOOPID!

  by Farkel in

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  ok. i used to believe in creationism even after i left the dubs.

  i was a braindead window washer at the time.

  i don't believe in creationism now, but i do believe in a creator and that is different.

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  he is simply letting it run its full course to prove a point, to build a body of evidence that makes the point irrefutable.

  Makes God out to be rather...human (I see shades of Him being vindictive, petty, insecure, unable to exercise power, helpless, limited in ways of communicating). This kind of "proving a point" seems to be unique in human experience, where the people the point was being proven to have been dead 6,000 years, and where the conclusion will be done long after we are all dead as well.

  What exactly is His point?
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  Creationism is Stupid, Stupid, STOOOOPID!

  by Farkel in

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  ok. i used to believe in creationism even after i left the dubs.

  i was a braindead window washer at the time.

  i don't believe in creationism now, but i do believe in a creator and that is different.

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  I've known a few stoners in my life, and you sir just might be a stoner.

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  Hi everyone

  by the widow in

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  i have been out of the borg for several years.

  my husband got us out by reading coc.

  we were pretty well against organized religion of any sort.

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  Welcome back - love -ve
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  Why God permits wickedness..the argument and counter logic

  by wherehasmyhairgone in

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  when i was a pioneer i used to get the comment a lot, as i am sure most here have.. my stock answer was the analogy.... wt 2002 10/1 page 7 as an example.

  imagine a father allowing his child to go thru a painful operation in-order to get better...hence why god permits suffering.

  anyway i used to trot this out without any counter arguments.. even when i left, it still seemed a reasonable explanations, then something clicked.

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  Hi Blue: When I am most awake I remember. But waking up is hard some days, and staying awake can be difficult. You inspire me, though I don't know I always can drink the inspiration fully.

  The bottom line from what I hear you saying is, Of course God doesn't reckon into it - we do these things ourselves.

  Hello BurnTheShips: A very nice summary of some arguments.

  The response is that free will is what makes us valuable moral agents...

  I'm not sure, though, what realm our coinage has value in. Would this be in a scenario where our souls are claimed by one side or the other?

  ...a world allowed to make itself is better than a puppet theater with a "Cosmic Tyrant".

  I'm not sure who this is better for, who the audience is.

  There is also the point of view that God is so far superior to man, that he cannot be judged by man... Man's assumption that he can tell God what a benevolent and all-powerful god can or cannot do, is mere arrogance.

  Ipso facto, there is no morality man can usefully gain from God. Our contexts are too different.

  While these positions are interesting, they still seem to conclude that God has setup a place of suffering and is responsible for it.