You guys are so great! I have been doing research for so long and I know what I want to do, and need to do... it's just so hard, because my dub mom lives with me and my family, and and I don't want to lose her as my mom. It's so childish, but I also have a ginormous fear of her being disappointed in me. I guess THIS is what I need to get over. I know if I just sat her down and had 'the talk' with her, it would be excruciating, but liberating and freeing. How do I do this when she LIVES in my house?
Elyse867
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PLEASE tell me I'm crazy!!!
by Elyse867 inso... hubby and i have been getting into discussions with a lot of people lately about the wts.
i want so bad to know what to believe... i don't believe that the 'truth' is the one true religion anymore, but i don't know what to believe anymore when it comes to certain things... what happens to you after you die, etc.
so, i've been praying a lot (i still believe in god) asking him to direct me somewhere, just give me something to believe in.
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Sounds like fun! You should post in the Apostafest forum!
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PLEASE tell me I'm crazy!!!
by Elyse867 inso... hubby and i have been getting into discussions with a lot of people lately about the wts.
i want so bad to know what to believe... i don't believe that the 'truth' is the one true religion anymore, but i don't know what to believe anymore when it comes to certain things... what happens to you after you die, etc.
so, i've been praying a lot (i still believe in god) asking him to direct me somewhere, just give me something to believe in.
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So... hubby and I have been getting into discussions with a lot of people lately about the WTS. I want SO BAD to know what to believe... I don't believe that the 'truth' is the one true religion anymore, BUT I don't know what to believe anymore when it comes to certain things... what happens to you after you die, etc. SO, I've been praying a lot (I still believe in God) asking him to direct me somewhere, just give me something to believe in. So hubby and I and the kids went out for lunch today, and who do I see but an older 'sister' who I actually really liked when I was little. She was like a grandma figure to me. Of course, she starts in on the questions... then the 'it's not too late' speech. I walked away feeling like a disappointment and feeling guilty. Convince me that this is NOT God's answer to my prayers, please?
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DO JWS BELIEVE IN HYPER-EVOLUTION?
by badboy infor there to be such variety of animals,wouldn't their have to be hyper-evolution?.
some animals in the same species have different numbers of chromosomes.. it is reckone that only 6 genetic changes(nucleotide?
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I've never understood why you can't believe in both. I believe in God and evolution to an extent. I do believe God is the Creator. I don't believe in the big bang... that whole thing is retarded. I do believe though in species changing over time, adapting to certain things, etc. It doesn't mean God didn't create them. Look at people... the majority of them are increasingly less intelligent. :) One wonderful example is the idiots at the FDA releasing the new nasal spray--- Veramyst--- "Side effects include nosebleed or nasal sores. Nasal fungal infection, glaucoma, or cataracts may occur." AKA- We'll fix your allergies, but f*ck up your eyes and nose... ALSO on the commercial it says across the bottom of the screen in small print: "The way VERAMYST works is not fully understood." ... wow. Go ahead and release in into the general population. Nice.
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Jehovah's Witnesses Are An Illogical People & They Should Be Embarrassed!
by minimus inquestion a witness in a very logical manner about their view of blood transfusions and blood fractions and see what you'll get.. ask a witness where in the bible it states that you can't talk to a disfellowshipped family member unless he or she lived in your home.. ask a witness why they need 2 witnesses to establish that a child has been molested but they don't need 2 witnesses to establish that a spouse has been unfaithful and that the accuser may now be free to "scripturally" remarry.. have a jehovah's witness prove to you that filling out a service report is necessary for a christian to have god's approval.. can you think of other proofs that the witness religion is totally illogical??
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A reply to the meat question... In the Bible, God gave Noah permission to eat animals, as long as they were properly bled, and treated nicely. Throughout the 'old testament' there are rules about how to treat your working animals... i.e.-- when your animal is milling the grain it is not to be muzzled, so that it can eat some of the grain if it's hungry. SO REALLY the question is here--- Why do JWs eat meat from factory farms where the animals live in terrible conditions, shot up with 300+ drugs, hormones and antibiotics,(resulting in cancer, diabetes, and thousands of other conditions when we eat the animals) then tortured before being inhumanely slaughtered for yummy meals? That goes a little against God's rules I think. Plus, factory farming is one of the biggest contributers to global warming, and let's not forget that 'God will bring to ruin those ruining the Earth.' Just MENTION the word vegetarian or anything about helping the environment to any dub and you'll more than likely get an earful about us being in the time of the end, the Earth won't get better, God gave us 'dominion over the animals' yadda yadda yadda. Plus, you'll get laughed at OR brought to the Elders to discuss your new vegetarian religion. I've had this discussion with my mom so many times, and she agrees with me about animals being treated to wrongly, and agrees that it is probably something 'detestable' to Jehovah, yet she continues to eat meat with the attitude that she's not torturing the animal or polluting the environment, and it wouldn't help if she stopped anyway. JWs are some of the most pessimistic people I've ever met. Oh, BTW, yes I'm a vegan, tree hugger. So go ahead and un-like me now. ;P But I'm not the shove-it-down-your-throat type that gives us a bad name. I got my fill of that being raised a dub. ;P
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I'm Hemet... born and raised. Ick
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So... is everyone here an x JW? Or currently??
by Elyse867 ini'm a fader myself.... mentally exhausted from thinking of all the reasons why i've given up the "truth" and then the whole "what if" bs... anyway, welcome me, i'm new.
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LOL @ "crotch of righteousness"
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Just wonderin' :)
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So... is everyone here an x JW? Or currently??
by Elyse867 ini'm a fader myself.... mentally exhausted from thinking of all the reasons why i've given up the "truth" and then the whole "what if" bs... anyway, welcome me, i'm new.
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Thanks everyone!
So here's my story: (((Warning... LONG, but if you want to get to know me, read on!)))I was raised a JW all my life. I'm the last of 6 kids in my family. My parents are both JWs. My dad was an elder for like 20 years, all the while, an abusive alcoholic, beating my mom and older brothers and sisters. (the beating started on my sis when she was 6 months old) By the time I was born, my parents were worn out with kids (my oldest sis is 18 years older than me)and didn't beat me... I was just neglected completely. My household was weird... mom and dad lived in the same house, yet litarally didn't speak a word to each other, and slept in seperate bedrooms. If I was caught talking to dad, (which was useless, since he walked in from work drunk, then passed out on the couch) I'd get in trouble with mom... What a wonderful Christian household. Anyway, parents got divorced finally when I was 5, mom got DFd, and moved in with her boyfriend. So I was persueded by my older siblings to live with drunk-ass dad, since he was still the upstanding Christian. Anyway, childhood sucked.... blah blah blah. Dad found someone to love him, and got married. Somehow he was able to quit the booze, for her... not for his kids... anyway, household got 'better' and I (stupidly) got baptized at 14. I struggled and was reproved several times over the next few years. Mom got reinstated and I moved back in with her. I struggled a little more... I was 16, done with school and bored, and she wouldn't let me get a job or go to college. I started dating my now hubby, whom I'd known from the KH since I was little, and who happened to be 11 years older than me. Mom didn't like that and told me she was going to 'send' me to my idiot father's house to live. He called me and told me to leave my 'slutty clothes, demonic music, and all drug paraphenelia' when my mom brings me. And mentioned that he didn't want me either. I wasn't a bad kid. I didn't listen to 'demonic music.' Sure, I smoked a little pot, but who hasn't? :) Anyway, I promptly gathered up my things, and met my now hubby outside. (I ran away, okay?) Turns out, my parents didn't even look for me. Hubby and I got married after I got emancipated, and then we decided to go to meetings. I got pregnant 2 months after we got married, so then the rumors started that we "had" to get married because I was PG. Anyway, we both got DFd in an Fd up way, and got reinstated a year later, to have contact with our families. That's been almost 6 years ago, and we both have pretty much abandoned the 'truth.' My mom lives with us now, LOL we're helping her out, since her x-husband is an idiot and left her with nothing. Nice that us non-witnesses can do more for our family when they need us. ANYWAY, my hubby (an x MS) and I are both just kind of floating around... wondering what to do, what to believe in...
Things that get me about the WTS:The whole beard thing... they'll at least reprove you over that where I live..
The birthday thing...
Job 1:4,5 says "And his sons went and held a banquet at the house of each one on his own day; and they sent and invited their three sisters to eat and drink with them. 5 And it would occur that when the banquet days had gone round the circuit, Job would send and sanctify them; and he got up early in the morning and offered up burnt sacrifices according to the number of all of them; for, said Job, “maybe my sons have sinned and have cursed God in their heart.” That is the way Job would do always."How do we know that 'his own day' means their BIRTHDAY??? Job 3:1-3 says:
"It was after this that Job opened his mouth and began to call down evil upon his day. 2 Job now answered and said:
3 “Let the day perish on which I came to be born,
Also the night that someone said, ‘An able-bodied man has been conceived!’Also the whole 'everything that's pagan is bad' thing....
What about wedding ceremonies... the rings, the dress, the bridal party, the honeymoon, the cake, the flowers, etc. ALL PAGAN
Pagan is pagan... don't make exceptions.The whole time sheet BS. Jesus didn't turn in time, he wouldn't expect any of his desciples (sp?) to, and he wouldn't counsel them if they got less than 10 hours.
The 'don't get a higher education' thing. F THAT. ALL my brothers and sisters (except the one smart one who did anyway) are stuggeling now, because they don't have the schooling they need to make it in life)
The 'extra curricular activities are bad' thing... F THAT too. God gave us all talents! Why is it wrong to explore them??? I've always wished I could dance, or play music, or something...
The general population of Witnesses where we live SUCK. Sure, there are the genuine sweet, well meaning JWs. Bu a LOT of them where we live are back-stabbing, judgmental, gossiping, hypocritical mean people who look down their nose at everyone who isn't labeled as 'in good standing.'
Anyway, my 5 year old had his first birthday party at 4, and it felt so good. He's been in dance classes (his passion) since he was 2, and is excelling so much. He competes in national dance competitions and loves every minute of it. What HURTS is when he asks why Grandma doesn't come to his birthdays, and this:
I was attending one of my son's competitions last year, and was super excited and pumped for him. His cousin was dancing in her group right before my son went on. I looked over and say my sister-in-law with her mother (an x-JW) who is the grandma of the cousin plus my sister in law's sisters, and their families... the grandma was crying, as well as the sisters, to see their little one up there. When the dance was over they all jumped up and cheered. My son came on, and I was so proud I was also crying... but I realized it was just me and my hubby standing there... and I was so upset. WHY WHY WHY can't my mother be a freaking grandma, and BE THERE for her grandson??? WTF? Anyway, I wish I was never raised this way... I'm constantly filled with guilt... my family doesn't really speak to each other (we live all over the country, probably resulting from efforts trying to run away from the BS) plus, now that my mom lives with us, we just celebrate what we want, but just don't say anything to my mom. My kids aren't allowed to talk to my mom about birthdays or holidays... we snuck out of the house last week to go trick-or-treating, our first time. I know my mom knows, but we have that wierd don't ask don't tell relationship. I HATE feeling like I'm going to be in trouble in my own house. I know if I were to decorate or put up a tree this Christmas, my mom would all but disown me... So we celebrate at my friend's house every year with her family... Ugh.. sorry. (((vent))) -
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So... is everyone here an x JW? Or currently??
by Elyse867 ini'm a fader myself.... mentally exhausted from thinking of all the reasons why i've given up the "truth" and then the whole "what if" bs... anyway, welcome me, i'm new.
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I'm a fader myself.... Mentally exhausted from thinking of all the reasons why I've given up the "truth" and then the whole "what if" BS... Anyway, welcome me, I'm new. :)