about 2/3 weeks ago the elders came to visit.
got rid of them pretty much didn't expect to see them again because i told them i was moving in a couple of months.i didn't plan on talking too much to them as i was studying for a test.
anyway it ended up being a long visit.
Hi,
Seems that to many "new light" had read this elder and actually is totally confuse. It will be interesting that you ask the other elder about their personal opinion. Maybe the other elder didn't open his mouth to avoid a contradiction with the first one.
Ginosko
human society needs myths and illusions for survival.
without hopes or illusions, people loses energy, and even reasons for existence.
myths provide a human social identity, provide a sense of belonging to a special group.
Hi Carmel,
Thanks for your response.
I understand scientific method, and I really think that its invention marks a very important step in mankind growing.
But do you really think that most of humanity has moved off myths and illusions?
As I actually see it, myths and illusions not only apply for religions, but for governments, business, leadership and so on.
Don’t you personally have dreams for the future? And in what do we sustains our illusions? Don’t you see nation and business myths?
I think that scientific method help mankind to grow, but not enough to be complete free from myths and illusions. PS. My apologies for the mistakes, English is not my native language.
human society needs myths and illusions for survival.
without hopes or illusions, people loses energy, and even reasons for existence.
myths provide a human social identity, provide a sense of belonging to a special group.
Human society needs myths and illusions for survival. Without hopes or illusions, people loses energy, and even reasons for existence. Myths provide a human social identity, provide a sense of belonging to a special group.
I believe that the WTBT understands pretty good this concepts, that’s the reason because lots of its rules go to mind control its members by empathize the myths and illusions. Lets review a few of them:
For mind control purposes, they provide enough literature, meetings, assemblies, studies programs, etc, so the average JW could not find time for nothing more than “spiritual food”.
For the few ones capable of find time on their lives, they tried to avoid them the cognitive dissonance of understand the fake of the myth and illusions by:
Another fact, interesting to take note, base in my personal experience, is that anyone can go to the elders and tell them that we have lost our faith in God, and we would obtain empathy and help, but if we go the elders and tell them that we have lost our faith in the GB, at last we will be DA or DF. Amazing, FAITH in a human organization, and some year ago neither of us understood that this is idolatry.
I think that somehow the FDS well understand the human psychology and how to control human groups.
What do you think about it?
the hypocrisy of the wts knows no bounds
most jws would say, "but we have faith in jehovah, jesus and the bible, not in men.
" yet in many places the wts does demand jws to have faith.
Hi Blondie,
Interesting.
As I understand we can only put faith in things that we hope but we can't observe Heb 11:1. As I understand faith is something that we need to put in God. As I understand putting faith in an human organization is some kind of idolatry.
So in my opinion the texts that you cited probes that the so called FDS teached idolatry to the JW's.
Buy maybe I'm wrong. Any other opinion ?
reason number one:.
while i cannot prove herein that consciousness survives death of the .
body, i can point out a solid arguement that you must have some sort.
Hi,
That the clones are not identical with today technology is not any surprice, is of public knowledge, they are also the mithocondrials RNA's, or something that sounds similar, that also take part in the genes of the clone. I'm not an expert, only a reader.
And about the Celeras guys. How do they could be sure that the DNA aren't the human blueprint, could they be sure ? Please provide us an URL with this statement. As much as I know is hard to believe this point.
That the genes of a cat are so similar to humans DNA don't means anything. For me is similar to say that the components of a TV proyector, are similar to the components of a computer, and try from this point to deduce some philosophical true. Is not a matter of components, but of organizations and sinergics. Two companies can have a thousands engineers each one, and one is a succes, the other a complete failure. Similar components, members or genes dont means anything.
Cordially,
Ginosko
hey guys,.
i am a witness that is no longer going to meetings.. but i tell you what, i'm scared to death.. i'm really "limping on two decisions.".
what would you guys say is the one "scriptural" reason why you left the truth.. thanks.. gene.
Hi,
For me is not a matter of one text. For me is something similar of what Jesus replied to que question of Mat 24:3, "... the sign of your presence", and then he gave us a collection of events. For me the collection of events that probe me that the WT didn't have the truth were:
1. The UN affair.
2. The replied that the WT gave us about his relationship with the UN. For me a complete lie, at least all the elders that signed this relationship must be removed for lack of sound of mind.
3. Then my research about blood. There are any evidence in the bible to forbide the blood, but not the fractions of the blood, you could understand as a complete forbide, but not as they actually taught.
4. My last understanding that there was not a Goberning Body in the first century. If you read again, Galatas, Act 15 and Act 21:20-24, you will understand that they were two kinds of christian teachings in the firsts century, the two of them with at least some degree of Holy Spirit aproval. Joseph Malik write an excelent chapter in his book Beyend Jehovah witness about this texts.
5. And all the other stuff that I learned, specially about the letter to Hitler in 1933, published in the yearbook of 1934, the aluminun stuff and many other more, like the endorsement of the book Womans and Angels ...
Many elders will replied, but to where can we go, but the bible ask: to whom can we go. Also in this text the WT lies to us. They put themselves in the place of Jesus Christ, maybe that is the reason because you will hear a lot of Jehovah and the faithfull slave in the Kingdom Hall, but so few about Jesus Christ.
as you know the assembly will be on us before long.
does anyone have good ideas in how to get our message out about the bs the borg is teaching!
i'm talking about clever ways.
A set of diverse flyers, so they can interchange or talk about between them, but with fotocopies of some of their old light, with some crazy teachings, including: Watchtower letter to Hitler from the 1934 yearbook, Pedofilia, the ONU affair well documented, the Golden Age magazine recomending Womans and Angels and ERA treatment, aluminiun. vaccinations, and so on.
if someone disassociated themselves from the watchtower society due to research that convinced them that the watchtower was erroneous on many issues and yet still felt convinced that jehovah is much more gracious with regards to salvation than what we learned through the watchtower, is it possible for such a one to get reinstated, even if they did not believe numerous things that the watchtower teaches?
but is this possible if someone still does not believe that certain doctrines the watchtower teaches are bible based (i.e.
: 1914, blood transfusions, disfellowshipping, etc)?
Hi,
Some moths ago, when this place was recently launched, You Know send me an e-mail with a special recommendation of this place. So I believe that this place is close related to him. I strong believe that at least he is a colaborator of this place.
here's an interesting quote i found on the net about why we need truth rather than beliefs.
belief has nothing to do with truth.
there is danger in belief: it makes you feel that you know the truth.
I'm looking for truth, since child.
Interesting is the point that some months ago, talking with one old friend about the UN affairs, the one who gave me Bible study, said as one of his last arguments: But you talk a lot about seeking the truth, is it so important the truth ? ... my reply, but this isn't the point of being a JW ? ... he didn't reply anything.
u apostates.... fallen ones..... spiritually weak ones.....whatever u want to call u r selfs make me sick... all u display is hate.
quit u r pathetic crusade to destroy the wts.
u r childish " if i cant have it... no one can" attitude.. apostate 1) " once at a meeting a talk was given and the elder said we should pray for the spiritually weak ones in the cong!!!!!!..
Hi Ging,
Seems that you read something that you dislike. And yes I can agree with you that sometimes I read some post that I dislike. But here all opinions have a place, but the important points are the proofs. The WT said that people of all faiths have to test their faith with their bible. Can you dare to test your beliefs with the bible ? The WT answers all our questions when we begin to read the Bible, but when we developed enough knowledge to ask inteligent questions he reject us ? Do you think that Jesus Christ acts in this way.
On the other hand maybe you dislike some of us, or maybe all of us, but I think that your brotherhood would dislike you if they know that you are reading the posts in this forum. Maybe you have some in common with us.
With agape.
Ginosko
