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  Return to Jehovah… No Return Address

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  return to jehovah... no return address .

  today i read a small piece of poetic irony.

  im not going to advertise from what web forum i read this, but it was so astounding i had to share it somewhere.

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  fukitol

  Return to me or I'll kill you.

  I love you, I'll kill you.
  
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  Having Faith in the Bible

  by william draper in

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  i know many on here have lost faith in the bible , is it possible that is because ones do not have the right perspective regarding it .

  we have usually been taught by bad teachers , or ignorant .

  i believe if we take an honest look at the bible , we will see that it gives us the best answers to crucial matters , it gives us some amount of bearings ( understanding ) , which without having such knowledge we would all be more like walking zombies in amanner of speaking , we would be lacking hope in something better , for surely something better is to come , how can we be sure , .

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  ...which without having such knowledge we would all be more like walking zombies in amanner of speaking , we would be lacking hope in something better , for surely something better is to come , how can we be sure ,

  LMAO.

  We have ourselves as our hope for the future. The potential for the human race is almost unlimited in what it can learn and achieve scientifically, medically, socially, you name it. Hey, even the Bible says God admitted there is nothing we can't achieve before he confused our languages at the tower of Babel (thanks God).

  Look at all the ignorant, zombie-like Muslims still living like it is 600AD, sticking their ass up in the air 5 times a day. They are obeying thir ancient holy scripture, convinced there is no future hope without it.
  
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  Why did God permit Scriptures to be corrupted?

  by economy in

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  if someone informs you that your shop caught fire, and firefighters are on the job, you will run to the spot.

  however, if you had already sold that property on the previous day (which this messenger is ignorant of), you are likely to respond, saying: shop is not mine..

  situation is same with god.

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  Is there some ban on Banarama Kumaris on this forum?
  

  God didn't permit squat. The Bible is a frikken BOOK written by ancient, ignorant, Jewish priests and scribes who made up scary stories of a vengeful, angry deity called YHWH to keep the people in FEAR and OBEDIENCE.

  Now get a life and move on.
  
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  Jehovah Witnesses accept 2000 year old Scripture , yet reject writings of C.T.Russell the founder of the religion.of 136 years ago.?

  by smiddy in

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  is not this ironic ?

  that they can claim to believe something that was written 2000 years ago and base their life and some cases their death on it , yet disown writings of the modern day founders of their religion such as c.t.russell , the so called first president of the i.b.s.a.

  , later re-named jehovah witness.. and the same fate awaits the so called second president of now re-named jehovah witnesses ,if the writings ,books ,tracts ,etc .still exist in the library you sooner or later will be quizzed as to why you want to read them , it will be discouraged , and if you persist you will be brought before the elders .. so what are they afraid of people learning ?

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  They don't 'disown' their beginnings. They still believe the core teachings of Russell and Rutherford re mortal soul, no hell, no trinity, etc. Nevertheless, Russell and Rutherford would be disfellowshipped today if they were resurrected in the org and still preached what they preached back then.
  
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  LATEST NEWS: CANDANCE CONTI VERIDICT READY - WT LOST!!!!!!!

  by Viva la Vida in

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  i'm not an expert but that is my understanding of this: .

  opinion filed.. (signed published) the judgment against defendants on the negligence count is affirmed.

  the judgment against watchtower on the cause of action for punitive damages is reversed with directions to enter judgment for watchtower on punitive damages.

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  What a vile, repulsive organisation, unashamedly claiming to the end they had no duty to protect a child from a KNOWN paedophile all the way through this case.

  They remain completely arrogant and unapologetic for what they've done and have put this poor woman through the mill legally. It wouldn't surprise me if their sheer hubris makes them appeal still, tormenting Candice even more. Even the Catholic Church is less arrogant on this.
  

  Truly, "by their fruits you will recognise them". Can there be any more rotten fruitage than a religion that unrepentantly harms and causes deaths of infants and children by their morally blind and fanatical religious policies. .
  

  I spit on the Watchtower leadership and their lawyers. Pure scum. I'm ashamed to have ever been a JW.
  
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  'great crowd' are in the temple (naos) but not in the new covenant???

  by fukitol in

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  in one of the biggest about-faces in watchtower history, in a 2002 question from readers it was admitted that the great crowd is indeed in the temple itself (naos) in revelation 7. .

  but notice the statement bolded below from that article comparing the great crowd to the proselytes in ancient israel.

  the statement is made that the proselytes "submitted to the law covenant.

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  So have all the numerous bits of 'new light' and doctrinal changes in recent years been 'admitting mistakes' Data-Dog? Don't be naive - the rank and file only see these things as 'new light' not 'mistakes'.

  The Society has made so many changes relatively recently and nobody even blinks amongst the rank and file, eg, the new ludicrous overlapping generation teaching is unrecognizable from 20 years ago.

  JW's will swallow anything as 'new light' from heaven with glee uncritically and without question as long as it's spun the right way.
  
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  "Life is SO HARD!!" The martyrdom and moaning of the April broadcast!

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  oh man!.

  the april broadcast is so manipulative when it speaks about enduring.

  the very premise makes witnesses feel burdened with a martyrdom and heavy hearted complex!

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  Jesus said his yoke was kindly and his load was light but that his followers must carry a torture stake. Go figure.
  
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  An earlier date when the "great multitude/crowd" was first named: "Jehovah's witnesses"

  by Doug Mason in

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  unlike the fonz, i can and do get things wrong..

  the 1946 book let god be true ascribed the name jehovahs witnesses to the great multitude:.

  page 232 of the 1952 edition.

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  If Jehovah called all the ancient Israelite nation his 'witnesses', how can the great crowd be Jehovah's "Witnesses" when they're not a part of "spiritual Israel" (comprises the 144k only)?
  

  If you study obscure JW theology, you'll discover that the 'other sheep' basically have no Christian status at all.

  The Society actually teaches that the Bible was not technically written for the 'other sheep', that Jesus is not technically their mediator, and they are not technically even Christians.
  
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  'great crowd' are in the temple (naos) but not in the new covenant???

  by fukitol in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in one of the biggest about-faces in watchtower history, in a 2002 question from readers it was admitted that the great crowd is indeed in the temple itself (naos) in revelation 7. .

  but notice the statement bolded below from that article comparing the great crowd to the proselytes in ancient israel.

  the statement is made that the proselytes "submitted to the law covenant.

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  In one of the biggest about-faces in Watchtower history, in a 2002 Question from Readers it was admitted that the great crowd is indeed in the temple itself (naos) in Revelation 7.

  But notice the statement bolded below from that article comparing the great crowd to the proselytes in ancient Israel. The statement is made that the proselytes "submitted to the Law covenant."

  The Insight on the Scriptures volume 1, p.72 on 'Alien Resident' makes the same point, that these proselytes were effectively the same as any other member of 'the congregation of Israel':
  

  “The terms of the Law covenant allowed for persons of all national backgrounds to come into membership of the congregation of Israel by accepting the true worship of Jehovah and becoming circumcised … The alien resident who had become a circumcised worshiper was bound to one law with the Israelites, that is, to obey all the terms of the Law covenant.” Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 1 p.72, ‘Alien Resident’.

  The logical conclusion is that the great crowd must likewise be in the new covenant, as spiritual members the same Christian 'congregation', just as those ancient alien residents became actual members of the congregation of Israel and were literally included in the old covenant.

  great crowd and 144k = both in the naos, the temple

  great crowd and 144k = all 'domestics'.

  great crowd and 144k = both in the new covenant, as both the Israelites and alien residents were in the old covenant.

  NEW LIGHT to this effect is all the Society needs to announce to solve the worsening dilemma of increasing numbers of partakers at each memorial. They can announce that all those who believe they are prospective members of the great crowd may also now take the emblems to signify they are also in the new covenant, BUT only in the sense of being like an alien resident or proselyte also in the old law covenant, and ONLY in the sense of standing in the earthly courtyard of the temple not in the inner sanctuary reserved only for the 144k. Such new light would also make sense since they recently announced that both the anointed and other sheep are all domestics .
  

  Members of the great crowd exercise faith in Jesus' ransom sacrifice. They are spiritually clean, having "washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Hence, they are declared righteous with a view to becoming friends of God and of surviving the great tribulation. (James 2:23, 25) In many ways, they are like proselytes in Israel who submitted to the Law covenant and worshiped along with the Israelites.
  
  Of course, those proselytes did not serve in the inner courtyard, where the priests performed their duties. And members of the great crowd are not in the inner courtyard of Jehovah's great spiritual temple, which courtyard represents the condition of perfect, righteous human sonship of the members of Jehovah's "holy priesthood" while they are on earth. (1 Peter 2:5) But as the heavenly elder said to John, the great crowd really is in the temple, not outside the temple area in a kind of spiritual Court of the Gentiles . What a privilege that is! And how it highlights the need for each one to maintain spiritual and moral purity at all times!" Watchtower 2002 May 1 pp.30-31
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  A theory on good and evil instincts.

  by Aleon in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  good day, i am s.f.

  van der meulen.

  have any of you ever heard of my theory that explains human instincts?

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  I checked out your webpage. I admire your deep thinking and the time and effort you've taken to propound your philosophy and theories on such important subjects. One day I may download your book, thanks.