The JW's have not totally discarded everything C T Russell taught, stop exaggerating. In fact, they have retained most of the core doctrines Russell originally first taught that distinguished them from Christendom.
fukitol
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Why do members of this board debate what the W.T. /G.B. meant in their publications when its all going to be changed shortly.
by smiddy inits just a thought i had,why do we debate over what the wt publications say today when we know all to well that in a year or two they will say something different.. and put it down to new light .. everything charles taze russell said by word of mouth and in print , the so called , first president of the international bible students association (william h. conley was actually the first president ), later to be named the watchtower bible and tract society in his lifetime is discarded .. something like 40 years preaching and teaching throughout the earth , being the chief cornerstone of the foundation of the jehovah`s witness religion / i.b.s.a... nothing he said or preached or wrote about is accepted today by the jehovah`s witness religion as being relevant.. do they say he was wrong ?
no... do they say he was a false prophet ?
no ,... then what do they say about c.t.russell , well they do cherry pick some comments and take them out of context ,like he foretold 40 years beforehand about world war one.
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Disturbing hidden image in w15 04/15 page 9 (Not DF image)
by campaign of hate incould someone do me a favor and post the picture on page 9 on the above mentioned watchtower.. i'll point it out, very surprised no one else has picked up on this creepy image..
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fukitol
I see features of the rocks in the right hand bottom corner that are reminiscent of the face of Jabba the Hutt
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Why are JWs so against debate
by enigma1863 inif the jws follow proverbs 27:17 they should not be afraid of any tension or friction.. in order for iron to sharpen iron you need pressure, tension friction and a bit of heated debate..
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fukitol
Because the leadership, the Watchtower Society, is authoritarian. Since when did any authoritarian rulership or totalitarian regime allow freedom of expression and dissent? -
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If you were put in charge of the Governing Body tomorrow...
by FusionTheism inif you were somehow magically put in-charge of the governing body tomorrow, by jesus, with the rules being, you could not teach anything that would be considered outright apostasy and you could not teach anything that would be considered to cause doubt about god's existence... (so as not to arouse suspicion).
what "new light" or "clarified understandings" would you introduce first?.
and which later on?.
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fukitol
Blood policy - Announce 'new light' that since blood transfusions do not involve the loss of a life or 'soul' then they are not scripturally prohibited, since all scriptural injunctions against blood involve the loss of a life. But is totally up to one's conscience and applicable to baptised, mature members of the congregation only (not babies and children). Announce that it is sin to shun or ostracise persons who in good conscience have a blood transfusion.
Child abuse policy - Announce that the 'two witness' rule no longer applies, and the elders will immediately report all allegations of child abuse to the secular authorities, whether or not state law requires them too (God's ways should be higher than mans), and no paedophile is to ever have any privilege in the congregation again, ever!
Shunning/disfellowshipping policy - announce that the pre-Knorr policy is to be reinstated, ie, that persons who simply disagree with some teaching or policy are not to be shunned. And all other shunning is for social interaction only, not absolutely and total shunning (ie, marking, not shunning). You can still say hello and be generally polite and spiritually encouraging but shouldn't eat or socialise with willfully immoral, unrepentant persons (mark them, but don't shun).
1914 - announce that it is a matter of personal choice whether one wishes to believe it or not, and that it's no longer a mandatory requirement of belief to remain in good standing or to preach it.
Door to door work - announce that it is no longer required or expected of everyone, but only those who voluntarily wish to devote themselves to Jehovah's service in this special way (as is the case with any other congregational privilege).
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Pope's commissioner for child protection labels cardinal "dangerous" and "almost sociopathic"
by fukitol inhttp://www.smh.com.au/national/popes-commissioner-for-child-protection-says-cardinal-pell-is-a-dangerous-individual-and-almost-sociopathic-20150601-ghdl9n.
i wonder what this commissioner would make of certain governing body members who have demonstrated they are similarly in gross denial of the issue and are "getting their stories mixed up" on child abuse?.
someone should have a word to him..
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fukitol
I wonder what this commissioner would make of certain Governing Body members who have demonstrated they are similarly in gross denial of the issue and are "getting their stories mixed up" on child abuse?
Someone should have a word to him.
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We are slowly moving away from that kind of preaching work
by oppostate injohn hoyle--jws go knocking on strangers doors and try to get inside homes to preach.. wt rep--we are slowly moving away from that kind of preaching work, we do more preaching by using literature carts and personal telephone calls.. .
the above quote is from john hoyle's website:http://insidethewatchtower.com/doctrine/phone-calls-to-bethel-jw-org-email-and-contacts/.
it's interesting, isn't it?
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fukitol
It's a logical move, since the publishers are basically now just glorified advertising material distributors anyway.
They are really no different from your local junk mail deliverer, walking up the street shoving junk mail in everyone's letterbox, except JW's waste time by knocking on your door first.
Actually, just shoving a tract or brochure in everyone's letterbox would be much more effective, since 99% of householders turn them away from the door and so miss out on the crucial tract or leaflet.
Therefore JW's are bloodguilty by denying 99% of the population from getting a life-saving 'witness' by insisting that the person receive the literature directly from the hand of a JW standing on their doorstep rather than from their letterbox, LOL!
Yes, the archaic insistence on a literal 'door to door' work is stopping many from receiving a witness and isresponsible for many more dying at Armageddon!!
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Richard Dawkins espouses Militant Atheism: "Mock them, Ridicule them." Attack Religious People with Insults!
by MagicMItchJensen inrichard dawkins has said frequently if we don't agree with religious or spiritual people we need to "insult them!
" tell their their out of their "fucking gourds!
" and make sure you really show them how stupid they are for believing in something they can't prove!".
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fukitol
The great Voltaire absolutely mocked the religionists of his day with great effect, as did all of the great skeptics that followed him. Robert J Ingersoll positively encouraged it, saying it is sometimes the only way to shock the sensibilities of an otherwise thoroughly brainwashed and tightly clamped mind.
The Watchtower for most of it's existence constantly mocked Christendom's leaders. Judge Rutherford absolutely revelled in it.
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Does The Governing Body Have Enemies At Bethel?
by Brokeback Watchtower ini would think that a lot of resentment is building up for these for these guys at bethel even though it may not be discussed openly for fear of being abused by the gb in some way.. any way looking at their personality and the extreme phoniness of rubber mouth/face lett, and am#3, and the chicken shit coward leosch who won't even show up in court when subpoena'd to defend his faith or policies, and i'm sure they have many more undesirable traits that repel people instead of attract and that has to work its toll on relationships they have at bethel.. and this shunning thing i'm sure must really erk some at god's house and while they may not be free to voice their discontent i feel it must be building because these guys are complete nincompoops when it come to reality and the only way they know how to give direction is with fear and guilt which i'm sure is rubbing a lot of people the wrong way.. and let not forget the issues that are raise when they stole all the congregations savings and the pledge drive for more cash, ban on higher education, lawsuit pay out and etc.... what is this doing to the relation ship they have with legal and accounting i see trouble brewing right thier in the spiritual pair of dice..
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fukitol
Dissenters and apostates have been dreaming about this for decades. Ray Franz was about the closest we got to this. Since then it's about as likely a prospect as a coup amongst the cardinals of the Roman Catholic Church, or a coup amongst Kim Jong Un's elite. -
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Parents under fire for failing to allow lifesaving blood transfusion to terminally ill son
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/06/11/19/06/parents-under-fire-for-failing-to-allow-lifesaving-blood-transfusion-to-terminally-ill-son.
there is a video that can be seen at the above link that is worth watching.. the andersons.
7:10pm june 11, 2015 parents under fire for failing to allow lifesaving blood transfusion to terminally ill son.
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fukitol
What seems so odd to me about all this, apart from the obvious immorality of the JW's stance, is that the new testament prohibition on blood at Acts 15:28,29 was only given to the "brothers" in those congregations, ie, baptized persons.
Surely, all the GB need to do to stop this absolutely awful cultish child sacrifice policy and it's associated damaging publicity is to announce "new light" that the blood prohibition applies to baptized congregation members ONLY, not to little children. To hark back to Genesis and say that the injunction against blood applies to all mankind (and therefore includes little children) just seems so unnecessary, as if they are looking for any possible excuse to justify the death of babies and children for their fanatical, extremist interpretation:
23 They wrote this and sent it through them: “The apostles and the elders, your brothers, to those brothers in Antioch,+ Syria, and Ci·li′cia who are from the nations: Greetings! 24 Since we have heard that some went out from among us and caused you trouble with what they have said,+ trying to subvert you,* although we did not give them any instructions, 25 we have come to a unanimous decision to choose men to send to you together with our beloved Bar′na·bas and Paul, 26 men who have given up their lives* for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.+ 27 We are therefore sending Judas and Silas, so that they also may report the same things by word of mouth.+ 28 For the holy spirit+ and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols,+ from blood,+ from what is strangled,*+ and from sexual immorality.*+ If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!”*
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Parents under fire for failing to allow lifesaving blood transfusion to terminally ill son
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/06/11/19/06/parents-under-fire-for-failing-to-allow-lifesaving-blood-transfusion-to-terminally-ill-son.
there is a video that can be seen at the above link that is worth watching.. the andersons.
7:10pm june 11, 2015 parents under fire for failing to allow lifesaving blood transfusion to terminally ill son.
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fukitol
Everyone on here should get back to the real issue instead of attacking and defending each other.
