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2017 Yearbook released

by bohm in

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i saw this on reddit:.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/5mlgsm/2017_yearbook_of_jehovahs_witnesses/.

overall the numbers are better than last year (1.8% growth compared to 1.5% last year -- as i predicted ;-) ) with an increase in all major figures including 1300 more congregations (i assume this is not physical kingdom halls?).

fukitol

This explains the theme of this year's convention "Do not give up!", straight after the theme last year of remaining loyal.

Clearly, increasing numbers are giving up. They are in decline in the developed world and the donations are drying up. They have been for some time and it is only getting worse.

And the delusional Governing body don't know what the heck to do about it except to slash costs, keep begging and guilt-tripping and scare-mongering, and hoping that Armageddon will come soon to bail them out.

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2017 Yearbook released

by bohm in

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friends

i saw this on reddit:.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/5mlgsm/2017_yearbook_of_jehovahs_witnesses/.

overall the numbers are better than last year (1.8% growth compared to 1.5% last year -- as i predicted ;-) ) with an increase in all major figures including 1300 more congregations (i assume this is not physical kingdom halls?).

fukitol

Not convinced that congregation numbers is a better indicator than publisher numbers for the simple reason that there is almost no minimum number needed to have a congregation. You could have a congregation of 100 publishers 30 years ago that has now dwindled to 60 publishers but it still counts as a congregation and if that was the only reporting measure you would not know there was any decline in growth at all.

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The Governing Body are doubling down on dogma!

by DATA-DOG in

in case you were wondering if the governing body we're going to become kinder and gentler, the answer is a big "no!!!

in the current study edition of the wt magazine, the sheeple are reminded of some very important key points.

1) god has an organization ( corporation ) that you must respect.. 2) only the gb/faithful slave can dispense spiritual food and only the gb/faithful slave can interpret the bible.. 3) individual dubs absolutely cannot learn "truth" on their own.. 4) god requires "unity of doctrine.

fukitol

Cult propaganda 101 stuff isnt it.

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1 bilion property revenue since august 2016 and still they have not enough

by Gorbatchov in

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read in the new york business review that jw.org made 1 bilion property revenue since august 2016.. unbelievable, isn't it?

they are one of the richest religion organizations in cash flow, for sure.. the co asked us this morning to "overthink wat we can share, to support the work and make jehovah happy".. g..

fukitol

But what is their annual expenditure!? If we knew that, we could get some perspective on their real financial strength.

It's got to be two or three hundred million a year at least. If donations are dramatically drying up and they are having to liquify property capital to help fund expenses, as the evidence suggests, it wont take long for a few billion to get eaten up.

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Mass JW exodus

by stockholm_Syndrome in

maybe there will be a mass exodus from jws when thinking people read feb 2017 watchtower telling them the governing body stuff up, shouldnt expect correct/ perfect information and basically make up guff as they see fit.....ya reckon?.

fukitol

...Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food ‘Watchtower Feb 2017”

Classic strawman. Arguing from what wasn't said by Jesus.

What does "perfect spiritual food" even mean?

No, Jesus didnt say that but obviously all food that is served by the slave should be scripturally correct and never harmful or deceitful.

You can find any number of quotes down the years where they arrogantly praise their own spiritual food as nothing but wholesome and beneficial, spiritually pure and the right stuff at the proper time like manna from heaven compared to Christendoms filthy dishes of junk food, and now here they are admitting in one little flip sentence that will be hardly noticed by anyone that after 120 years they have dished up junk or unhealthy food.

But JWs dont know shit from shovel when it comes to telling what food slopped up is perfect or barf material. If mother serves it up, it must be swallowed.

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Jesus ransom or the sanctification of God's name the most important?

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

some time ago, during the mid-week meeting, the sanctification of god’s name was being discussed (chapter 4 in ‘god’s kingdom rules’).

in paragraph nine we read that in the early period the jw’s viewed jesus ransom sacrifice as the most important teaching of the bible.

then they said they gave overbalanced importance to jesus, and nowadays, they say the sanctification of god’s name is the most important thing in the bible.. .

fukitol

In time, though, Jehovah helped them to discern the prominence that the Bible gives to God’s personal name.

The name is completely missing from the Christian Greek Scriptures. It's not found in a single extant manuscript. The NWT is the only Bible that has inserted it there, and broke cardinal rules of translation scholarship in so doing.

And Jesus never once referred to God by the divine name in the scriptures. Not once.

The New Testament gives zero prominence to the name!

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Jehovah wants everyone to hear the message before the end comes

by Sour Grapes in

when you ask a jw why hasn't god brought an end to the old system it is because he is being patient and he wants everyone to have the opportunity for everlasting life.

they will say that every year over 200,000 become jw's (most of whom are born ins).

the problem that i have is that every year over 130,000,000 people are born which means that every year he delays in destroying the nations there will be 130,000,000 more people to murder and bury.

fukitol

Why would any sane person with a shred of morality want to worship a God that slaughters most of the planets population? And not once but three times (flood, Armageddon, end of thousand year reign).

Such a deity obviously doesn't exist, but if it did, I know I am certainly not in its image and I'd rather die than worship such a genocidal monstrosity.

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AND STILL NO RELEASE OF THE 2017 JW YEARBOOK

by steve2 in

here we are on the cusp of the new year, and the 2017 yearbook of jws has still not been released.

jw.org continues to feature the 2016 yearbook in its list of main publications.

in previous years, the upcoming yearbook's annual report on jws was released in november for the january 1st then the feb 1st watchtower, then earlier in december when it was only featured in the yearbook, then more recently with a couple of days of december 25th.

fukitol

The Watchtower 1/15/2000 p.13 “Six Convincing Lines of Evidence” that we are in the Last Days.

Sixth, the number of genuine anointed disciples of Christ is dwindling, though some will evidently still be on earth when the great tribulation begins. Most of the remnant are quite elderly, and over the years the number of those who are truly anointed has been getting smaller.

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Why do JW's never pray for the Spirit of Jesus?

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

i am new on this forum.

i have been associating with the jw's for three years, and was about to be baptised soon (next month).

however, i discovered on time that it is not right to do.

fukitol

If God or Jesus answer your prayers and send you their 'spirit', then that is divine intervention.

But if you ask a Christian why God never lifts a finger against all the evil and suffering in the world, the answer is God cannot intervene because it is contrary to free will.

Cant have it both ways.

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AND STILL NO RELEASE OF THE 2017 JW YEARBOOK

by steve2 in

here we are on the cusp of the new year, and the 2017 yearbook of jws has still not been released.

jw.org continues to feature the 2016 yearbook in its list of main publications.

in previous years, the upcoming yearbook's annual report on jws was released in november for the january 1st then the feb 1st watchtower, then earlier in december when it was only featured in the yearbook, then more recently with a couple of days of december 25th.

fukitol

Someone on JWtalk posted weeks ago that theres a 1.5% increase this year. Said to be from a reliable source in the German Bethel.

Thats somewhat disappointing if true, since in 2015 they came very close to reporting a decrease.