Posts by fukitol

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Let's talk about Blood again....

by stuckinarut2 in

i know we have all talked about this topic before, but for some new ones on the forum, or to refresh ourselves, i wanted to start this thread.. the society likes to go on about the sacredness of blood, and how it should not be transfused etc.. they liken it to a symbol of life itself.

something that should be respected and therefore not transfused.. but, what is more important: real life, or a symbol of life?.

an illustration came to mind.. if we give a bunch of flowers to a loved one as a symbol of our love for them, are those flowers more important than the love itself?

fukitol

What Wolfman85 and Cofty said.

To repeat:

The whole point of the scriptural prohibition is that the blood represents the soul or life that has been lost. The blood is a symbol only of the life lost.

There is not a single scripture where the prohibition is given where a soul has not been lost. In all cases, the blood not to be consumed has come from a dead soul.

Is any soul or life lost in the case of a blood transfusion?? None whatsoever.

With a blood transfusion the blood has absolutely no symbolic value as there is no loss of life.

Case closed.

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Blood Transfusions are Biblically Supported

by allpoweredup in

to jehovah's witnesses elders: blood transfusions are biblically supported: acts 15:20 says abstain from blood but 1 samuel 14:32-5 says saul's army ate unbled meat to not starve and no verses show god not forgiving them.

christ says god also forgave david's eating temple holy bread to survive and that god wants mercy not sacrifice.

(mt 12) the may 22, 1994 awake tells of 26 jehovah's witness kids who died without transfusions, and by common sense in massive bleeding as in car wrecks blood expanders won't save lives http://www.ajwrb.org.

fukitol

The whole point of the scriptural prohibition is that the blood represents the soul or life that has been lost. The blood is a symbol only of the life lost.

There is not a single scripture where the prohibition is given where a soul has not been lost. In all cases, the blood not to be consumed has come from a dead soul.

Is any soul or life lost in the case of a blood transfusion??? None whatsoever.

With a blood transfusion the blood has absolutely no symbolic value as there is no loss of life.

End of story.

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Who is ruling over the kingdom of the world?

by The Fall Guy in

according to the bible, "the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.

" (1 john 5:19).

according to the deluded "slave", it's jesus; w73 8/1 p. 459 par.

fukitol

Great thread.

It's such an obvious and glaring contradiction. And Jesus and Satan both currently have separate thrones over the world too. See Revelation 13.2.

To try and cover over these massive absurdities in their eschatology, the Watchtower reclassified Jesus' throne as one of only 'judgement' since 1914, despite admitting that no judging and separating is presently occurring!

Crazy stuff.

No wonder they say all the intelligent ones leave.

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Quebec Canada - Court Authorizes Blood Transfusion for JW Baby

by OrphanCrow in

the jehovah's witnesses are facing a lot of negative exposure in quebec over the blood ban.

two maternal deaths recently due to the blood ban and now this.

jw patients willing to sacrifice their child.

fukitol

Bloodless clinics staffed with JW nurses and doctors?

What on earth do you mean by that? What clinics, where?

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Yup !

by berrygerry in

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fukitol

https://youtu.be/8GrLHaxtsLg

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Do I have to believe in Jesus to be saved?

by unsure in

do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.

i was raised as a jehovah's witness.

i was born in.

fukitol

Keep questioning and testing why you still believe the Bible could possibly be 'the word of God'. Read up on Biblical scepticism and explore why so many reject the Bible and religion as untrustworthy. I recommend www.infidels.org as a great resource.

Keep testing every assumption you've held and peeling back the layers of belief you've accumulated or had imposed on you since childhood.

You're on the right path to intellectual enlightenment and freedom.

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Oct 2017 W/T on love.

by WHATSGOINGON in

the october 2017 wt study article (simplified).

let us consider some examples of fake love.

when satan talked to eve in the garden of eden, what he said made it seem that he wanted the best for her.

fukitol

By their own admission, Jehovah has stopped blessing them then in pretty much the entire western world since the growth is zero in those countries, and they have admitted that expenditure is exceeding income.

Jehovah is now only blessing them in poor countries with low education and low internet access. Funny coincidence that.

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I know this sounds absurd but are JWs turning Pentecostal

by joe134cd in

i just viewed this.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5703039295946752/clapping-singing-conventions-like-evangelicals.

ok the point has been made.

fukitol

People are overreacting a bit to this. Just because the borg are jazzing up their music a bit and being a bit more expressive about it, it hardly means they are becoming Pentecostal. The GB have probably been advised that statistically, young people and families are turning to the more modern, contemporary style churches because they provide a satisfying emotional experience. The org has never really provided that, relying on a traditional catechism style service or treating meetings like a franchise meeting of a global religious sales company (which is ultimately all the religion is).

It's all part of a strategy to give the turd a more modern, 21st century polish to try and stop the haemorrhaging, nothing more. And to make it more palatable to the African and Latino contingents, where the only growth is now occurring.

What I find disturbing is how they are increasingly using video technologically at their large gatherings in an Orwellian way, portraying horrible doomsday and obedience themes on a big screen. Its screaming out for an expose on 60 minutes or something.

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Wow i do not reconize this religion anymore...

by _Morpheus in

had the misfortune of stopping by the "regional" convention yesterday.

i promised my daughter i would come to sunday afternoon so she wouldnt have to ride home with her mother.... holy crap it was weird!

im sure all of this has been covered on the forum but to actually see it.... just wow.

fukitol

After 120 years of officially having the most boring, dull, prosaic religious services in Christendom, they are resorting, at long last, to emotionalism to try and stop the young ones leaving in droves.

Next it will be Sunday school and youth clubs.

You can sprinkle glitter and fairy dust on a steaming pile of pooh but it's still just a pile of pooh.

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Interesting Thing My Little Girl Said Today

by pale.emperor in

my 3yo daughter lives with me 4 days and with her mum 3 days.

i have her tues, wed, fri evening and saturday all day.

which means my ex takes her to sunday and thursday meetings but she doesn't go door knocking on saturday because she's with me.. i dont mind - at the moment - because in a way i want her to know the jw jargon so we can talk about it without having to explain what it is, and i want her to compare the bullshit to the real world.

fukitol

Pretty unorthodox arrangement that you have your 3 year old daughter the majority of the time. Children that young need their mum's mostly.