i have been reading this book called " the two powers in heaven " .. the readers digest version is basically there was a first century belief of kind of a dual god system in the old testament.
god is invisible and yet he appears at the " word of the lord " or " the angel of the lord ".
basically any time god was visible and dealing with humans in a touchable , see able manner , it was though to be christ.
Show us specific quotes please.
The Jews were well familiar with the concept of an angel acting as an agent of God, or of an agent speaking as if they were God. They never thought for a moment that the agent was God, even when the agent spoke as if they were God.
after 33 years as a jw and leaving 25 years ago i think prayer can be summed up with the jews praying at the wailing wall.. all they are doing is talking to a brick wall ,and getting no feed back.
and they expect an answer to their prayers ?!.
christians /other beliefs might find that funny but they are no better off.. prayer is always a one way street you talk either vocally or mentally to god however you never get the same back .. if god " so loved the world that he doesnt want any to be destroyed but have everlasting life " then whats the problem with him audibly answering his servants prayers ?
If God answered prayers in any way, shape or form, it would be intervention in human affairs. Prayer is divine intervention. Yet when you ask a Christian why God allows evil and suffering, they answer that God cannot intervene in human affairs as it is interfering with our free will.
Christianity is just one huge, absurd and obscene contradiction.
it's being said all over social media that joel osteen hasn't opened his mega church for refuge during the storm, pictures are showing this area is not flooded.
i made a few comments myself saying that the jws only help their own in time of need but this god fearing man isn't helping anyone.. just what religion is he and his followers, i guess it's one of those non-denomination churches that collect a shitload of bucks to him and wife so he can afford the glamorous life, nothing new of course, i thought he was just a bit different than the others, fooled me..
, I thought he was just a bit different than the others, fooled
Are you serious? His talking style sounds so phoney and wooden. He speaks without pausing, always at the same pace, never stops for any dramatic effect. Its like one long, rehearsed monologue. Is contrived and lacking any real sincerity.
Easily the worst and most one-dimensional, wooden, tv evangelist I've seen.
to jehovah's witnesses elders: blood transfusions are biblically supported: acts 15:20 says abstain from blood but 1 samuel 14:32-5 says saul's army ate unbled meat to not starve and no verses show god not forgiving them.
christ says god also forgave david's eating temple holy bread to survive and that god wants mercy not sacrifice.
(mt 12) the may 22, 1994 awake tells of 26 jehovah's witness kids who died without transfusions, and by common sense in massive bleeding as in car wrecks blood expanders won't save lives http://www.ajwrb.org.
I came to that conclusion myself, Fisherman, and if it so happens to also be Coftys then so much the better because it is an absolutely knockdown argument against the erroneous and sick Watchtower policy.
so hadn't been to a clam meeting in quite a few months, but went last night.
so we learned that gog of magog is not satan as previously believed.
they used a few scriptures that made it clear that it couldn't be satan and that it would be a coalition of nations.
Are there barrels of Koolaid in the video bunker basement?
i know we have all talked about this topic before, but for some new ones on the forum, or to refresh ourselves, i wanted to start this thread.. the society likes to go on about the sacredness of blood, and how it should not be transfused etc.. they liken it to a symbol of life itself.
something that should be respected and therefore not transfused.. but, what is more important: real life, or a symbol of life?.
an illustration came to mind.. if we give a bunch of flowers to a loved one as a symbol of our love for them, are those flowers more important than the love itself?
What Wolfman85 and Cofty said.
To repeat:
There is not a single scripture where the prohibition is given where a soul has not been lost. In all cases, the blood not to be consumed has come from a dead soul.
Is any soul or life lost in the case of a blood transfusion?? None whatsoever.
With a blood transfusion the blood has absolutely no symbolic value as there is no loss of life.
Case closed.
to jehovah's witnesses elders: blood transfusions are biblically supported: acts 15:20 says abstain from blood but 1 samuel 14:32-5 says saul's army ate unbled meat to not starve and no verses show god not forgiving them.
christ says god also forgave david's eating temple holy bread to survive and that god wants mercy not sacrifice.
(mt 12) the may 22, 1994 awake tells of 26 jehovah's witness kids who died without transfusions, and by common sense in massive bleeding as in car wrecks blood expanders won't save lives http://www.ajwrb.org.
The whole point of the scriptural prohibition is that the blood represents the soul or life that has been lost. The blood is a symbol only of the life lost.
There is not a single scripture where the prohibition is given where a soul has not been lost. In all cases, the blood not to be consumed has come from a dead soul.
Is any soul or life lost in the case of a blood transfusion??? None whatsoever.
With a blood transfusion the blood has absolutely no symbolic value as there is no loss of life.
End of story.
according to the bible, "the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.
" (1 john 5:19).
according to the deluded "slave", it's jesus; w73 8/1 p. 459 par.
Great thread.
It's such an obvious and glaring contradiction. And Jesus and Satan both currently have separate thrones over the world too. See Revelation 13.2.
To try and cover over these massive absurdities in their eschatology, the Watchtower reclassified Jesus' throne as one of only 'judgement' since 1914, despite admitting that no judging and separating is presently occurring!
Crazy stuff.
No wonder they say all the intelligent ones leave.
the jehovah's witnesses are facing a lot of negative exposure in quebec over the blood ban.
two maternal deaths recently due to the blood ban and now this.
jw patients willing to sacrifice their child.
Bloodless clinics staffed with JW nurses and doctors?
What on earth do you mean by that? What clinics, where?
