I would take the cash and pay some bills. Then I would probably buy some silver.
Posts by DT
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Are The Governing Body Being Set Up To Take A Fall?
by DT inthe governing body's decision to declare themselves the faithful and discreet slave appears pretty arrogant and presumptuous.
since most of us regard the governing body as arrogant and presumptuous, it's easy to conclude that is the reason that they did this.. what if something else is going on?.
remember when steven unthank was able to get the faithful and discreet slave charged in australia for failing to comply with the working with children act?
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The Governing Body's decision to declare themselves the Faithful And Discreet Slave appears pretty arrogant and presumptuous. Since most of us regard the Governing Body as arrogant and presumptuous, it's easy to conclude that is the reason that they did this.
What if something else is going on?
Remember when Steven Unthank was able to get the Faithful And Discreet Slave charged in Australia for failing to comply with the Working With Children Act? It was argued that the FDS was just a theological arrangement. It was a silly argument but at least it served to isolate individuals from legal liability.
Now the Governing Body seems to be doing the reverse by identifying the FDS with a single, identifiable group of people. This appears to be an incredibly stupid move considering that the FDS was recently formally charged in Australia.
Recently there was a new letter to the elders about handling child abuse. That letter surprised many of us because it insisted on the Society taking responsibility for decisions about child abuse. In terms of legal liability, this may be good for the elders, but bad for the Watchtower Society. However, the recent claim by the Governing Body serves to shift this legal liability to their shoulders.
I consider it possible that the Governing Body really is this stupid, but it could also be the case that they are being pressured or influenced to make these changes.
Consider these two scenarios and consider which would be more likely to succeed. A group of disgruntled people at Bethel revolts and tries to establish their own following. Or this group frightens the Governing Body into asserting their authority and then sticks them with the legal liability for the Society's many problems?
Most Witnesses are so brainwashed that they would be unlikely to follow any group that revolts and breaks away, even if they have legitimate grievances.
However, if the Governing Body (or a portion of the Governing Body) can be made to seem like the group that revolts by overturning fundamental doctrine and tradition, it would hardly make a difference for most Witnesses if they are replaced. It would probably be viewed as Jehovah cleansing the organization. There is already a precedent for Governing Body members being disgraced and removed.
Most Witnesses believe what is in the Watchtower. If the Watchtower says that Governing Body members have been replaced because they have rebelled against God's anointed representatives on earth, then most Witnesses will probably accept it without question. If these disgraced GB members later go to prison, then you might even see Witnesses rejoice that they are being punished for their apostasy.
I'm just speculating. I don't have any inside information. I welcome your comments.
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Have The Governing Body Rebelled Against The "Anointed Of Jehovah"? (Questions For Those Still In)
by DT init has been the understanding for decades that jehovah was using the group of anointed on earth to provide for his sheep.
they even changed the baptism questions to indicate acceptance of this arrangement.
many have been disfellowshipped (aka spiritually executed) for failing to fully support this arrangement.
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How will the present-day "anointed" react to their demotion?
by Room 215 ini wonder how they will respond to their demotion to parity with the "other sheep" as mere "domestics" in god's house.
and what about the appontment of a 47 yeard-old to the governing boday?
in my neck of the woods, the word of any forty-something who began partaking would fuel the gossip mill for weeks!
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It will be interesting to see how they react considering how many of them are "mentally unstable".
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So Are Baptisms Before The FDS Change Valid Or Not?
by DT inthe baptism questions since 1985 involve agreeing to be associated with god's spirit directed organization.
it was taught that god directed the organization through the anointed remnant on earth who were know as the faithful and discreet slave.
it was claimed that getting baptized involved agreeing to follow the direction of this anointed group.. now, the governing body claims the be the faithful and discreet slave.
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"Valid in what sense?
Ultimately it's their game, they make the rules."
Good question. I guess the important factor is whether they consider it valid. They reject baptisms in other churches, so why not reject baptisms from when the entire organization was following a group that is now rejected as having no authority. If they feel there is a difference, I would like to hear what it is.
It's true that they make the rules, I just think they should have to explain what the rules are.
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So Are Baptisms Before The FDS Change Valid Or Not?
by DT inthe baptism questions since 1985 involve agreeing to be associated with god's spirit directed organization.
it was taught that god directed the organization through the anointed remnant on earth who were know as the faithful and discreet slave.
it was claimed that getting baptized involved agreeing to follow the direction of this anointed group.. now, the governing body claims the be the faithful and discreet slave.
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"The pledge was to the Org, not to the FDS. Internal workings are irrelevant."
It was to God's spirit directed organization. It was taught that it was spirit directed through the anointed remnant. This implied acceptance of the anointed as the group that God was using. In my opinion, changing this changes everything.
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So Are Baptisms Before The FDS Change Valid Or Not?
by DT inthe baptism questions since 1985 involve agreeing to be associated with god's spirit directed organization.
it was taught that god directed the organization through the anointed remnant on earth who were know as the faithful and discreet slave.
it was claimed that getting baptized involved agreeing to follow the direction of this anointed group.. now, the governing body claims the be the faithful and discreet slave.
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The Baptism questions since 1985 involve agreeing to be associated with God's spirit directed organization. It was taught that God directed the organization through the anointed remnant on Earth who were know as the Faithful And Discreet Slave. It was claimed that getting baptized involved agreeing to follow the direction of this anointed group.
Now, the Governing Body claims the be the Faithful And Discreet Slave. This contradicts the baptism vows of millions of people. Shouldn't these people be rebaptized to reflect their loyalty to the Governing Body? Of course, if the previous baptism isn't valid, they should have the option of walking away without repercussions.
If their previous baptisms are valid, how can they be asked to violate their baptism vows by switching their loyalties from the anointed remnant to the Governing Body? It would seem that they have the right to reject this change without any repercussions.
So which is it?
It would be amusing if people started to request rebaptisms to reflect loyalty to the new arrangement. It would force the organization to make a decision on whether the previous baptisms are valid or not. Either way, it would set a dangerous precedent for the Watchtower Society.
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Have The Governing Body Rebelled Against The "Anointed Of Jehovah"? (Questions For Those Still In)
by DT init has been the understanding for decades that jehovah was using the group of anointed on earth to provide for his sheep.
they even changed the baptism questions to indicate acceptance of this arrangement.
many have been disfellowshipped (aka spiritually executed) for failing to fully support this arrangement.
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I think it is interesting that Jehovah's Witnesses are now divided on one of their core teachings. A small portion have shifted their loyalties to the Governing Body while most of them have no idea of what is happening.
I think it would be appropriate to call this new group of Governing Body loyalists the "Absalom Class". The parallels are just too striking. Those who still accept the leadership of the anointed could be called the "David Class".
I almost wish some Jehovah's Witnesses would knock on my door so I could ask them which group they belong to.
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Sparlock Garden Gnomes available
by Shawn10538 inthis is kind of a redundant post, so look at my post "sparlock lives.
" legal arrangements can be made to get you a hand made sparlock garden gnome made of clay.
likeness is very good.
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Any recent news about this?
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A Prayer Of Thanks And Repentence
by DT inthank you jehovah god for this meeting which is really a luxurious spiritual banquet.
we appreciate the way your son appointed the governing body to provide us with this rich spiritual food at the proper time.. if there are any changes or revisions presented tonight to past truths, please help us to accept them immediately as in a "twinkling of an eye" so that we will not be out of step with your grand celestial chariot for even a moment.. we realize that we all fall short of pleasing you many times and beg you humbly for your forgiveness.
in particular, we must ask you to forgive us for placing our trust and loyalty in the group of anointed on earth, since we mistakenly thought that they were appointed by your son to feed us.
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Thank you Jehovah God for this meeting which is really a luxurious spiritual banquet. We appreciate the way your son appointed the Governing Body to provide us with this rich spiritual food at the proper time.
If there are any changes or revisions presented tonight to past truths, please help us to accept them immediately as in a "twinkling of an eye" so that we will not be out of step with your grand celestial chariot for even a moment.
We realize that we all fall short of pleasing you many times and beg you humbly for your forgiveness. In particular, we must ask you to forgive us for placing our trust and loyalty in the group of anointed on Earth, since we mistakenly thought that they were appointed by your son to feed us. The Governing Body has told us that we were mistaken and we humbly repent of our error.
We also ask you to forgive these anointed ones for accepting the praise and loyalty that was not their right. Some of them claimed to provide spiritual food through some kind of mystical connection. We know now that this idea is incorrect and possibly of demonic origin. We can only hope that this presumptuousness was a result of weakness rather than wickedness. If it is not possible to forgive these people, we pray that they will at least be quickly expelled from the congregation so they will no longer serve as a stumbling block for your people.
All these things we pray in the name of Jesus Christ, and the names of the Governing Body, but only when they are serving their roles in the Faithful And Discreet Slave Theocratic Arrangement, amen.