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  AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)

  by cedars in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.

  http://www.jwactivists.org.

  facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.

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  DT

  AAWA could also stand for the Association for the Advancement of Watchtower Apostates.
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  Are The Governing Body Being Set Up To Take A Fall?

  by DT in

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  2. scandals

  the governing body's decision to declare themselves the faithful and discreet slave appears pretty arrogant and presumptuous.

  since most of us regard the governing body as arrogant and presumptuous, it's easy to conclude that is the reason that they did this.. what if something else is going on?.

  remember when steven unthank was able to get the faithful and discreet slave charged in australia for failing to comply with the working with children act?

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  I'm just bumping this because of the leak of the Watchtower articles about the new FDS understanding.
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  Memorial Invites from Door to Door?

  by NeonMadman in

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  is this the first year that the jws have been out aggressively handing out memorial invitations from door to door?

  i've been out for about 12 years now, but as i recall, congregations used to receive a relatively limited number of memorial invitations, and they were pretty much reserved for bible studies, good rvs, inactive persons, and others who had some sort of connection to the organization.

  they were not just randomly handed out from house to house - that was what the "special talk" invitations were for.. it occurs to me that this might be an attempt by the wts to pump up the memorial attendance so as to maintain the illusion of continued growth.

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  I think it's funny how they will limit you to one paper towl at a convention and then give millions of those invites away to people who don't even want them.
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  JW bumper stickers

  by innerpeace in

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  so my husband (who was never a jw) saw a christian bumper sticker today and asked me if the witnesses have any.

  i said no (not that i know of anyway) so here are a few he came up with.. 'honk if you're a zombie'.

  'my other car is noah's ark'.

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  Merry Memorial!
  Watchtower - the choice of an overlapping generation
  Babylon the Great has fallen, and it can't get up!
  Where's the meat in due season?
  Look mom, no college education.
  Double your pleasure, double your fun, overlap your generations until Armageddon.
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  Suppose The Governing Body Hired You As A Consultant

  by DT in

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  suppose the governing body hired you as a consultant at a rate of $100,000 a year.

  all you are required to do is meet with them four times a year and suggest ways to keep the organization growing at least a little bit.

  as soon as there is a year of negative growth, you are out of a job.. assume that you don't care about the damage caused by the watchtower society.

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  Suppose the Governing Body hired you as a consultant at a rate of $100,000 a year. All you are required to do is meet with them four times a year and suggest ways to keep the organization growing at least a little bit. As soon as there is a year of negative growth, you are out of a job.

  Assume that you don't care about the damage caused by the Watchtower Society. What recommendations would you make? How long do you think you would keep the job?
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  Korah's Parable

  by DT in

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  i was doing some research when i found korah's parable on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/korah.

  korah incited all the people against moses, arguing that it was impossible to endure the laws instituted by the latter.

  he told them the following parable: "a widow, the mother of two young daughters, had a field.

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  Thank you for your comments. For me, this puts Korah in a different light. He seemed to be far more concerned with the plight of the common people than Moses and his pals.
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  Korah's Parable

  by DT in

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  i was doing some research when i found korah's parable on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/korah.

  korah incited all the people against moses, arguing that it was impossible to endure the laws instituted by the latter.

  he told them the following parable: "a widow, the mother of two young daughters, had a field.

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  I was doing some research when I found Korah's Parable on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korah

  Korah incited all the people against Moses, arguing that it was impossible to endure the laws instituted by the latter. He told them the following parable: "A widow, the mother of two young daughters, had a field. When she came to plow it, Moses told her not to plow it with an ox and an ass together (Deut. xxii. 10); when she came to sow it, Moses told her not to sow it with mingled seeds (Lev. xix. 19). At the time of harvest she had to leave unreaped the parts of the field prescribed by the Law, while from the harvested grain she had to give the priest the share due to him. The woman sold the field and with the proceeds bought two sheep. But the first-born of these she was obliged to give to Aaron the priest; and at the time of shearing he required the first of the fleece also (Deut. xviii. 4). The widow said: 'I can not bear this man's demands any longer. It will be better for me to slaughter the sheep and eat them.' But Aaron came for the shoulder, the two cheeks, and the maw (ib. verse 3). The widow then vehemently cried out: 'If thou persistest in thy demand, I declare them devoted to the Lord.' Aaron replied: 'In that case the whole belongs to me' (Num. xviii. 14), whereupon he took away the meat, leaving the widow and her two daughters wholly unprovided for" (Num. R. xviii. 2-3; Tan., ?ora?, 4-6).

  I just thought it was interesting and was wondering what you thought about it. I may mention it in a writing project I'm working on so I might not share many of my thoughts until I'm finished with it.
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  Refuting Robin Collins argument for fine-tuning

  by bohm in

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  i have lately tried to rethink my position on gods existence and tried to be more critical of the atheistic position.

  this has partly been spurned by my impression objections to theistic arguments often rely on the same errors atheist accuse theists of, for instance using the shotgun-method (i.e.

  picking 3 faults with all premises in the arguments) or building conclusion on a web of arguments and, when considering a particular argument, supporting it by other parts of the web or simply not addressing the argument very well.. as part of this i came across collins 1999 article on fine-tuning.

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  You have made some interesting and thought provoking observations.

  "we already know that minds often produce finetuned devices, such as Swiss watches. Postulating God-a supermind-as the explanation of the fine-tuning, therefore, is a natural extrapolation from of what we already observe minds to do. In contrast, it is difficult to see how the atheistic many-universes hypothesis could be considered a natural extrapolation from what we observe"

  I'm not sure that is a valid argument. Once something is observed, it is reasonable to conclude that there are likely other examples of that same type of object. A person who grows up on an island wouldn't be wrong to conclude that there may be other islands or landmasses, even if he never observed them. We know that there are many landmasses, planets, solar systems, galaxies and clusters of galaxies. Concluding that there may be other universes is a natural extrapolation.

  Postulating a God who is outside space and time is entirely without precedent. It is not a natural extrapolation. It seems that Collins would rather accept the reality of an imagined concept that has never been observed, than entertain the idea that there could be other examples of an object that has been observed, our universe.
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  Another reason why 1914 is WRONG

  by EdenOne in

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  even if 607 had been the actual date of the destruction of jerusalem .... 1914 would still be wrong.

  when the wts says that "7 times" equals 2 x 3,5 times of revelation = 2 x 1260 days = 2520 days > one day / one year rule = 2520 years.. now, 2520 / 7 times means that one "time" has 360 "days".

  this corresponds to the lunar year.

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  A possible objection that a JW might come up with is that a time is 360 days while a year is 365.25 days. I was under that impression when I was a Witness. Actually a time just stands for a period of time. It could be a year, a month, a day or some other time period. I can't see any indication that the times mentioned would even have to be years. It would make a lot more sense if Nebuchadnezer was insane for seven days or seven months instead of seven years. Otherwise, it seems pretty strange that he could be gone from his throne for that long without it being mentioned in historical records or without his Kingdom being taken over by someone else.

  If you accept that it was actually years, it would only make sense that the kind of year be consistent. You could use years of 360 days for both if you allow for extra leap months. Since seven periods of 360 days differs from seven solar years by more than a month. You would have to add one or two extra months for either 2,550 or 2,580 days. 3 and a 1/2 times might equal 1,260 days, but it could also equal 1,290 days if there is a leap month, a time period that is also mentioned in the Bible. 7 times, however, would have to have at least one leap month.

  There is a precedent for the Bible to mention the number of days in a period of times when it is important, since you wouldn't know otherwise. Since the Bible doesn't mention the number of days in the seven times, it is reasonable to conclude that it doesn't matter.

  I would love to try to get a JW to explain why two different types of years are used in the same prophecy. I think this could be more effective than concentrating on the 607 verses 587 debate.
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  If someone offers you $100,000 in cash or gold, will you take cash or gold?

  by Iamallcool in

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  I would take the cash and pay some bills. Then I would probably buy some silver.