have you noticed the article of awake about toys?
after throwing records dvd tapes and son we must clean our houses of the toys particularly dolls can some one speaking a good english explain awake magazine dated june 2008 the article about "more than just toys".....http://www.jw.org/index.html?option=nbzr..they are mad please god forgive them..excuse my so poor english
I wonder what they would think of Governing Body dolls ? Each one comes with a stick up its ass and smells like moth balls ! Press a button and hear various inane prophecies and JW regulations in a genuine GB voice !
Imagine the hours of fun your child could have when a GB member attempts to place a watchtower and gets bitch-slapped by Barbie !
on friday , i had finished working where i used to live about 60 miles south .
a witness lady who used to be in one of my old congregations was working the check out line at the grocery store.
naturally she recognized me , and she saw i was buying a anniversary card for my daughter and her husband.
I think you did quite well considering is was just sprung on you.Yes, without a doubt, The Organization=God.And when they say JW's are God's chosen people...
Just tell them...
...so were the Israelites..and look what happened to them.
You might get a reaction like this.
please sign here............................ why do we even care?.
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While there certainly are a lot of threads on this subject, it really is a big deal.It could be argued by many JW's who left the Org that just our being here "is a waste of time" or "no big deal".Yet, this place serves a very real purpose.For some, it's a lifesaver.For those like myself it's a way of seeing just how others are coping and their present view on matters.Our thought process for so long was tainted by our environment inside the JW world.We thought we were right, that we had it all, or at least most of it, figured out.Then it all fell apart and were forced to re-examine all things.There are many threads because there are presently few answers.Many, whether in or out, will be impacted by this.
The more time one spends away from the org, the clearer ones mind becomes, like a drug that begins to wear off.I believe that if this rumored change is indeed genuine, that some will be able to slow down enough to think more clearly and free themselves and their families from this slavery disgracefully called "the truth".With frequency comes intimacy.But only seeing each other in a limited, nonsocial, and highly controlled setting like the meetings is likely to cause many to grow apart.It can facilitate a fade.It can be harder to get everyone to go to the meetings with such a large gap in between them.One becomes used to "not being there" or having some time for yourself.This change will cause some to research online what other JW's are saying about this major change, and this in turn will lead to the discovery of things that were previously hidden to them.It will cause dissonance because for years the encouragement has been to "never miss a meeting" and to meet "all the more so as you behold the day drawing near." Now, a whole meeting night will be eliminated, the routine of decades will be changed.The initial shock will be replaced by relief by many, and then followed by questions with no real answers.Lack of attendance is obvious and this affects morale and confidence.
I hope this announcement marks the beginning of the end of this org as we know it.It will shake things up.Some will not change, some will grow even more "hardcore"...but others....they will leave.It is good news.It is a big deal.
and she told me that was absolutly not the case.
she laughed and said that would never happen - that they needed it and that where ever i had gotten my infomation from was absolutly wrong and that i could tell them so.
she then told me that the public talk had been shortened - and i said that i had heard that it was 15 minutes shorter - the fact that i knew that kinda threw her.. but the book study would never go.
I told my sister who is still a JW and she said and I quote "The only news that I know of is that tomorrow (Sunday) there will be a letter read worldwide from Bethel. If it has to do with the bookstudy getting cancelled, it only shows that they are preparing us for when persecution comes our way and this is another indicator that the end is very near. Remember, the Bible says that no-one knows the date of the end but God so the Society will not be making any more end of the world predictions except that it's right around the corner. Don't believe everything you read. The Bible says that in the end Apostates will rise and infiltrate Jehovahs organization and try to bring down as many people as possible with questions that doubt Jehovah. The only truth and security I can give you is to read the Bible for yourself and see what Jehovah tells you directly. Don't let anyone rear you from the truth." That is her word for word what she said. I'm so freaking confused right now.
Moonpie,
I was an elder for a number of years (before I decided to step down) and I can tell you for a fact that most of the friends have little idea just how "business-like" things are behind the scenes.Many times I had to remind the elders to pray before we had to make some decision as a body.So instead of being "guided", many decisions are made according to what one "thinks best" at the time.It can be a very "hit or miss" kind of thing, unfortunately.
JW's in general have been been conditioned to view whatever changes are being made on an organizational level as one step closer to the end and that "they're preparing us".Well, this preparing has been going on for decades and is very hit or miss ! Many such decisions have been downright harmful, like banning organ transplants, etc.Then on a whim everything changes and previously heavily enforced "doctrines" or restrictions are completely reversed.It doesn't seem like much was very "spirit directed", does it ? If God has been directing this Org then he really enjoys having everyone on a yo-yo and screwing them up emotionally until they don't know if they're coming or going.Isn't God supposed to be a god of order ? The Great Mathematician ?
And so this trend continues....
Men in charge of a corporation (and that's what it is) are trying to figure out what to do to keep the "investors" from jumping ship.But to a sincere, believing person, the decisions are looked upon as being "for our good", and "preparing us".A parent will sometimes(however innocently) employ this "tactic" when they need some personal downtime and so they give their child something to do to "distract" them.The Rank and File JW's are viewed as immature children by the FDS who should obediently do what is said without questioning things.However, that's a recipe for disaster and even kids want to know the reason for things.Sadly, many such cults have done irreparable damage when believers put their faith, and life, on the line, failing to critically examine what is going on around them.This ultimate price is far too high to pay to men who don't know their left hand from their right.
a huge announcement will be made in the end of watchtower study next weekend.
we may post here the main issue soon.
If these rumors really are true the average dub response will probably be: "Boy, with all these changes, we must be REALLY close to the end !"
this happened to me years ago when i was still living in nashville tn.
i was driving home from work one day and i was in the turn lane getting ready to take a left.
i had a green arrow and i proceeded into the intersection.
Maybe these guys can help me find my car keys...
http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/pe_news_local_d_faith11.41dc684.html
Just look at this guys statements. He waters everything down and plays the game of "I don't quite remember".
"I believe he stated, I believe he continued momentarily," "It was extremely difficult for him," "I have a general memory. ... So no, I don't,"
It's all so sickening.I hope these clowns develop a seriously troubled conscience.
watchtower and awake!
' not so with the watchtower and awake!
the watchtower and awake!
So we're supposed to believe that a Mormon written article goes on non-stop about just how great Jehovah's Witnesses and their proselytizing is ? LOL Looks like more "theocratic warfare" (lies).They really are desperate for any type of justification or praise , aren't they ?
on what basis did god so love the world?.
the world of mankind had been condemned to death by god's curse in eden!.
god viewed mankind as "dust on the scales".
Looks like the thing went wonky and made a double post !
on what basis did god so love the world?.
the world of mankind had been condemned to death by god's curse in eden!.
god viewed mankind as "dust on the scales".
"For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, ..." Romans 8:20
Way to take the verse out of context, BreakingAway.
Contextually, the "futility" being referred to was not sin, but the Law of Moses. The entire argument from Romans 3-11 was about the fleshly descendancy from Abraham and about the law of Moses which was a law to flesh which required living perfectly in accord with flesh. Seeking salvation either through that fleshly descendancy or through that law which was "weak through the flesh" was a futile exercise, but one that ended in hope instead of disappointment for the reasons the writer clearly demonstrated.
God did not cast mankind into a sinful state and did not cause mankind's frustration; that was a good attempt to pretend that He had done so, but one that ended in disappointment.
While the Law certainly did subject them to a measure of futility that is not the thrust of what is being discussed in Romans 8 and you know it.It's not my objective to argue scripture here, because I've had enough of that in my lifetime.However, I will go into a bit more detail regarding the application, because that scripture goes much deeper than the Mosaic law and deals with the deterioration of man and all of creation.
According to the scriptures man is in a state of decay, having come to be that way as a result of sin.The world of mankind is therefore in a state of "bondage", a captive.In fact, all of creation hopes to be "set free" from corruption, "groaning and being in pain together",the futile nature of existence currently experienced.Man sinned, all of creation fell (suffered).
Was it not God who cursed the ground ? Who increased the birth pangs of the woman ? That has nothing to do with the Mosaic Law, does it ? It didn't even exist at such a time.Paul talks about a number of different "laws", including sin which wars against man so that even when he wishes to do what is right he is not able.
All of creation was subjected to 'futility' because it is unable to live up to its potential for which it was created.No matter how hard man tries he cannot free himself from this circumstance, this bondage.The hope, once again, is to be "set free" and thus all of creation eagerly waits for the "revealing of the sons of God."
Creation did NOT have a choice in the matter and thusly was "subjected to futility".God himself cursed the earth and put all things in bondage by what HE set in order.To say that this text is referring to the Mosaic Law is an extreme injustice and does not even come close to highlighting struggle of all creation and its tragic resultant futility.
