I'm sorry about your situation and I hope it improves. My only recommendation would be to try different things. Anything you try could work and you should try each thing with an open mind. An open, positive frame of mind will be half the battle and I'm convinced you can work through this. Good luck.
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by Vivamus init is wearing me down.. my constant companion in life, my skull-breaking- mind-blowing- daily migraines finally got the better off me six months ago.
i broke down, i cried and cried and cried.
not only cuz of the pain, but more for the fact that painkillers were not helping me anymore.
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by Skepticue in(mods - if this post is better suited to another section of this forum please move it - i'm new here and i don't know the structure too well) .
hello you guys, .
i am new to this forum having been linked here by a member of the jref forum who was passing on his experiences as an ex-member.
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Thanks very much for your advice. It's really helped.
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by Skepticue in(mods - if this post is better suited to another section of this forum please move it - i'm new here and i don't know the structure too well) .
hello you guys, .
i am new to this forum having been linked here by a member of the jref forum who was passing on his experiences as an ex-member.
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Changling - Thanks for your post.
<br><br>I re-read my use of the word intimate together with love, and despite their connotations felt it appropriate because I wanted to stress how many things we have in common and how much I value him as a friend. When we cross into certain other subjects however, we couldn't be more incongruous.
<br><br>There is nothing sexual in my affection toward this guy.
<br><br>I feel my friend is worth persuading to look at the possibilty he's being lied to by an organisation that from the outside could be argued to resemble a cult. He's so switched on about logic in a business sense but ignores logic when it comes to his religion.
<br><br>By the way. He isn't on a lower rung. He does a talk each week in front of the congregation. There's so much to this.
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by Skepticue in(mods - if this post is better suited to another section of this forum please move it - i'm new here and i don't know the structure too well) .
hello you guys, .
i am new to this forum having been linked here by a member of the jref forum who was passing on his experiences as an ex-member.
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Any book which is persuasive against his faith would surely be an impossible read for my friend? Could you tell me why this book is one that stands out? Thanks for telling me about it.
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by Skepticue in(mods - if this post is better suited to another section of this forum please move it - i'm new here and i don't know the structure too well) .
hello you guys, .
i am new to this forum having been linked here by a member of the jref forum who was passing on his experiences as an ex-member.
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I'm really sorry. For some reason my post compacted itself. I hope reposting it with a different option will insert the paragraphs.
(mods - If this post is better suited to another section of this forum please move it - I'm new here and I don't know the structure too well)
Hello you guys,
I am new to this forum having been linked here by a member of the Jref forum who was passing on his experiences as an ex-member.
There are so many things that I think about this situation but not so many things I actually 'know'. This is why I need to discuss this with someone or some people who could help me acheive the best possible outcome for my friend and also our relationship.
As briefly as I can I will explain my situation.
5 years ago I was looking for a new career and I began working in a small company. The company started as family business of Jehova's Witnesses (JWs) that became larger and so inevitably needed to employ those outside the faith. After a couple of years there was a very tough period where sales were very poor and job security was in question. My direct manager, who was a very close friend of the originators of the business and devout JW, decided to start his own company and because of other things but ultimately trust, he asked me to be his first employee.
At this current moment I see this guy everyday of the working week 9 - 5:30. He knows me in many ways more intimately than my own family. I express myself with absolute sincerity in his presence and feel 100% comfortable in doing so. I know when he's going to laugh, when he's going to be annoyed. Everyone knows what office politics can do you, yet sit me in an office with this guy in even the most serious moments and we'll both just start laughing because of something or other. I love him to death and because of this I feel some responsibility for his situation.
The reason I differentiated between 'think' and 'know' is because at this time I think there is no personal god and no divine creator. I think that I should protect my friend from something I think is a destrctive belief system. Being a total outsider I think it's totally insane that in the 21st century we have any organisation which provides text book 'answers' to our most complex questions about life and the cosmos. The bible it seems was not meant to be written by men but by men influenced by god. Thus the text is itself divine.
What I know is the thing in question. Do I know this is bad for him considering his wife and his infant are within the social structure that comes with this belief system? Do I know it's my place to 'educate' him? I'm mates with him, he seems happy on the surface, better than a lot of people for sure. A part of me however wants him to be annoyed at the amount of BS he may or may not be being thrown because if it's actually not true then he's being lied to. Nobody wants a close friend to be lied to. Irrespective of what we would all want to be true, that is most important to me, protect a friend but being lied to.
I would like to discuss this further. Pm me for my msn if any of you are ok to discuss this with me and of course any comments on this forum would be appreciated. -
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by Skepticue in(mods - if this post is better suited to another section of this forum please move it - i'm new here and i don't know the structure too well) .
hello you guys, .
i am new to this forum having been linked here by a member of the jref forum who was passing on his experiences as an ex-member.
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Skepticue
(mods - If this post is better suited to another section of this forum please move it - I'm new here and I don't know the structure too well)
Hello you guys,
I am new to this forum having been linked here by a member of the Jref forum who was passing on his experiences as an ex-member.
There are so many things that I think about this situation but not so many things I actually 'know'. This is why I need to discuss this with someone or some people who could help me acheive the best possible outcome for my friend and also our relationship.
As briefly as I can I will explain my situation.
5 years ago I was looking for a new career and I began working in a small company. The company started as family business of Jehova's Witnesses (JWs) that became larger and so inevitably needed to employ those outside the faith. After a couple of years there was a very tough period where sales were very poor and job security was in question. My direct manager, who was a very close friend of the originators of the business and devout JW, decided to start his own company and because of other things but ultimately trust, he asked me to be his first employee.
At this current moment I see this guy everyday of the working week 9 - 5:30. He knows me in many ways more intimately than my own family. I express myself with absolute sincerity in his presence and feel 100% comfortable in doing so. I know when he's going to laugh, when he's going to be annoyed. Everyone knows what office politics can do you, yet sit me in an office with this guy in even the most serious moments and we'll both just start laughing because of something or other. I love him to death and because of this I feel some responsibility for his situation.
The reason I differentiated between 'think' and 'know' is because at this time I think there is no personal god and no divine creator. I think that I should protect my friend from something I think is a destrctive belief system. Being a total outsider I think it's totally insane that in the 21st century we have any organisation which provides text book 'answers' to our most complex questions about life and the cosmos. The bible it seems was not meant to be written by men but by men influenced by god. Thus the text is itself divine.
What I know is the thing in question. Do I know this is bad for him considering his wife and his infant are within the social structure that comes with this belief system? Do I know it's my place to 'educate' him? I'm mates with him, he seems happy on the surface, better than a lot of people for sure. A part of me however wants him to be annoyed at the amount of BS he may or may not be being thrown because if it's actually not true then he's being lied to. Nobody wants a close friend to be lied to. Irrespective of what we would all want to be true, that is most important to me, protect a friend but being lied to.
I would like to discuss this further. Pm me for my msn if any of you are ok to discuss this with me and of course any comments on this forum would be appreciated.