I find it hard to believe that 951M per year would put the WT organization in the top 40... nowhere near it
And yet it is true, they made the revenue top 40 in New York City that year. Newsday reported it:
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27Watch Tower Corporation Listed Top Forty Revenue-Generating Companies in New York City, Reporting an Annual Revenue of About 951 Million US Dollars
by frankiespeakin inso are they a religious non profit corporation?
how is this dicotomy possible that they could generate such revenue and not make an accounting to irs?.
originally known as the peoples pulpit association, the organization was incorporated in 1909 when the society's principal offices moved to brooklyn, new york.
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Living Through the Brief Liberalization of Jehovah's Witnesses, Never Recovering
by TMS inwith the book crisis of conscience detailing the turbulence at bethel during the early to mid 70's, the transformation from autocratic rule to governance by committee or a body of men, many of us can speak to how that felt among the rank and file of the local congregations during those years.
we learned new concepts based in large part to research done for the aid to bible understanding volume, then we were asked or coerced into unlearning those principles, going back to the old ways.
some of us never readjusted, finding ourselves very different from our more hardline compadres.. the inertia for the changes that eventually were initiated in the congregations came from the discovery that the greek words episkopos and presbyteros were used biblically to refer to all qualified men in a congregation, not just one.
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I remember that idea that the circuit overseers were viewed as humble "fellow" elders during the 1970's.
Then about 1980, a well-regarded elder, one of the best speakers in the district, gave a talk repeating the idea that a circuit overseer was really just another elder. This was at the District Convention in St. Paul, Minnesota. I heard from a very reliable source that the assembly overseer took him into a room deep in the bowels of the St. Paul Civic Center and chewed him out, saying that wasn't the way the organization teaches.The whip-cracking came down even on the best and brightest. (It took a lesser form for some of us. I was only a ministerial servant, and I only got told that I needed to cut my hair above my ears and not wear a sport coat while giving Public Talks on Sunday.)
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Tim Tebow to address Anti-Gay Anti-Semetic Mega Church
by designs inquarterback tim tebow is scheduled to address the 11,000 member first baptist dallas congregation april 28th.
first baptist dallas and its outspoken pastor robert jeffries in recent times have called islam and mormonism coming from the 'pits of hell' and you can't be 'saved being a jew', although he clarified that being a jew is not the same type of hereticalness as being a mormon.....huh?.
pastor jeffries called the election of obama 'the rise of the anti-christ'.
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Cagefighter - It's one thing to have personal beliefs with which I don't agree. Everyone has the right to their personal beliefs, and if I agreed with anyone 100% it'd worry me.
It's the projection of self-righteousness of certain evangelicals like Jeffries and Tebow, they who use it for self-enrichment and self-aggrandizement, that puts a major burr in my saddle.
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To me, many in the evangelical movement project the notion that anyone who disagrees with them is a lesser human or doesn't have God's approval. Most of the problems in humanity start when someone is viewed as less worthy than someone else.
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Tim Tebow to address Anti-Gay Anti-Semetic Mega Church
by designs inquarterback tim tebow is scheduled to address the 11,000 member first baptist dallas congregation april 28th.
first baptist dallas and its outspoken pastor robert jeffries in recent times have called islam and mormonism coming from the 'pits of hell' and you can't be 'saved being a jew', although he clarified that being a jew is not the same type of hereticalness as being a mormon.....huh?.
pastor jeffries called the election of obama 'the rise of the anti-christ'.
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Tammy,
For your consideration - the pastor of this church is spreading fear, loathing and misinformation by saying the 'gay population' is 70% infected with the AIDS virus.
Also Jeffries is meddling in politics by saying gays should not be allowed in the military. This is already settled law. Who is he to try to make laws for the rest of the country? The arrogance of some in major denominations, telling the American government that everyone should live by THEIR rules!!
I don't know what Tebow will preach there. However, First Baptist Church didn't bring in someone to preach a message varying from their own, they don't seem that tolerant!
Tebow may have not made a public pronouncement about his view of homosexual people and their place / rights in our society, but he certainly allies himself with groups that spread fear about them, including Focus on the Family (for whom he famously did a Super Bowl ad in the last year or so). -
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Watch Tower Corporation Listed Top Forty Revenue-Generating Companies in New York City, Reporting an Annual Revenue of About 951 Million US Dollars
by frankiespeakin inso are they a religious non profit corporation?
how is this dicotomy possible that they could generate such revenue and not make an accounting to irs?.
originally known as the peoples pulpit association, the organization was incorporated in 1909 when the society's principal offices moved to brooklyn, new york.
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Watchtower followers don't understand that their corporation is mainly interested in protecting and increasing its financial (not spiritual) assets. They have just enough religion to maintain a veneer of "righteousness". A lot of money moves around into the Watchtower Society and into investments and real estate.
I've noticed that the Watchtower has since 2001 been very protective of its financial figures. To my knowledge, no facts like this $951 million in annual revenue has been leaked since 2001. I suspect two things: (1) They've gotten wiser about letting out any such truthful information that could potentially be used by their adversaries, and (2) they are still making a lot of revenue which they don't want their people or potential litigants (such as those who bring child-abuse cases) to know about.
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Daniel was confused.
by transhuman68 ini did some research after reading this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/246165/1/using-microsoft-excel-to-disprove-watchtower-theology-authority.
and realized there have been some flip-flops in the watchtower's interpretation of daniel's prophecy.
here is the interpretation from 'pay attention to daniel's prophecy' (1999) pg.301:.
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Since Jehovah is speaking through the Watchtower Society, Jehovah was obviously confused when he was the source of information for the wacky "Your Will Be Done on Earth" book in 1958!! Jehovah cannot make up his mind what to communicate to his people.
But apparently large changes in doctrinal direction and interpretation are GOOD - and are proof of Jehovah's guidance. Don't you remember the chariot of Ezekiel, which obviously pictures Jehovah's organization - and how it kept changing directions. If you don't keep up with Jehovah and all his changes, as revealed through his earthly organization, it's your own damn fault!
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Tim Tebow to address Anti-Gay Anti-Semetic Mega Church
by designs inquarterback tim tebow is scheduled to address the 11,000 member first baptist dallas congregation april 28th.
first baptist dallas and its outspoken pastor robert jeffries in recent times have called islam and mormonism coming from the 'pits of hell' and you can't be 'saved being a jew', although he clarified that being a jew is not the same type of hereticalness as being a mormon.....huh?.
pastor jeffries called the election of obama 'the rise of the anti-christ'.
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Tim Tebow to address Anti-Gay Anti-Semetic Mega Church
by designs inquarterback tim tebow is scheduled to address the 11,000 member first baptist dallas congregation april 28th.
first baptist dallas and its outspoken pastor robert jeffries in recent times have called islam and mormonism coming from the 'pits of hell' and you can't be 'saved being a jew', although he clarified that being a jew is not the same type of hereticalness as being a mormon.....huh?.
pastor jeffries called the election of obama 'the rise of the anti-christ'.
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Most conservative religious groups are not DIRECTLY involved in violence or discrimination against people who they've attempted to marginalize in the past, such as people of "other" religions, gays, blacks, women, atheists, etc. , etc. But people who DO violence against them have used some ideas preached or suggested in some of these churches as moral justification for their acts. The inferiority of blacks and "other" religions was preached in many conservative churches, and respectable business leaders in the south joined the Ku Klux Klan which visited terror on minorities.
The fear and hatred visited upon groups and individuals that powerful churches haven't liked over the centuries is mind-boggling and scary. I'm not saying ALL churches do this, as some do preach mercy, love and inclusiveness. But that last sentence doesn't even come close to describing the kind of church that is welcoming Tim Tebow to bring itself attention. -
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Fluff: The Severe US Actor Shortage
by metatron inok, enough with conspiracies (for now).
why don't us leaders deal with the severe shortage of actors in this country?.
every year, the us fails to produce enough competent actors to meet its needs and so, must rely on foreign imports.. like hugh laurie.
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Tim Tebow to address Anti-Gay Anti-Semetic Mega Church
by designs inquarterback tim tebow is scheduled to address the 11,000 member first baptist dallas congregation april 28th.
first baptist dallas and its outspoken pastor robert jeffries in recent times have called islam and mormonism coming from the 'pits of hell' and you can't be 'saved being a jew', although he clarified that being a jew is not the same type of hereticalness as being a mormon.....huh?.
pastor jeffries called the election of obama 'the rise of the anti-christ'.
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Could you put Quarterback in quote marks, please?
He's more of a "personality" than an actual football player now. He's out to promote the brand known as Tim Tebow. And of course he'll go to the places that accept him the most, which happen to be large religious groups that spew hate and intolerance. If Tim Tebow thought he could gain influence and popularity by addressing the Westboro Baptist Church he'd do it.