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  Do you believe the "Conscious Class" will be saved? (CHRISTIANS ONLY)

  by brotherdan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there are thousands of people sill trapped in the organization that realize that it cannot be what it claims to be: god's only true organization.

  but do you think that these ones that still believe in christ and his crucifixtion will still be saved?

  after all, salvation does not come from an organization.

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  Chalam

  Because the scriptures say

  • God raised Jesus from the dead
  • Jesus raised Himself from the dead
  • The Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead

  Draw your own conclusions...

  Blessings,

  Stephen
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  Do you believe the "Conscious Class" will be saved? (CHRISTIANS ONLY)

  by brotherdan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there are thousands of people sill trapped in the organization that realize that it cannot be what it claims to be: god's only true organization.

  but do you think that these ones that still believe in christ and his crucifixtion will still be saved?

  after all, salvation does not come from an organization.

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  Chalam

  Think About It You know that scripture is talking about two distinct individuals and that the 3rd person Holy Ghost of the Trinity isn't mentioned.

  I already provided two scriptures which show the Holy Spirit raised Jesus.

  Romans 8:9-11 (New International Version)

  9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.

  1 Peter 3:18 (English Standard Version)

  18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit

  Blessings,

  Stephen
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  Do you believe the "Conscious Class" will be saved? (CHRISTIANS ONLY)

  by brotherdan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there are thousands of people sill trapped in the organization that realize that it cannot be what it claims to be: god's only true organization.

  but do you think that these ones that still believe in christ and his crucifixtion will still be saved?

  after all, salvation does not come from an organization.

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  Chalam

  OK, here's another question for you, how did Jesus take his life up again if he was "conscious of nothing"?

  Blessings,

  Numbnutz.
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  Do you believe the "Conscious Class" will be saved? (CHRISTIANS ONLY)

  by brotherdan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there are thousands of people sill trapped in the organization that realize that it cannot be what it claims to be: god's only true organization.

  but do you think that these ones that still believe in christ and his crucifixtion will still be saved?

  after all, salvation does not come from an organization.

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  Chalam

  John 10:14-20 (New International Version)

  14 "I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. 17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

  19 At these words the Jews were again divided. 20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and raving mad. Why listen to him?"

  Think About It, it seems you concur with the view of the Jews in verse 20.

  Blessings,

  Stephen
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  Do you believe the "Conscious Class" will be saved? (CHRISTIANS ONLY)

  by brotherdan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there are thousands of people sill trapped in the organization that realize that it cannot be what it claims to be: god's only true organization.

  but do you think that these ones that still believe in christ and his crucifixtion will still be saved?

  after all, salvation does not come from an organization.

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  Chalam

  John 10:17 (English Standard Version)

  17 For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again.

  Matthew 22:29 (New International Version)

  29 Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.

  Blessings,

  Stephen
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  Do you believe the "Conscious Class" will be saved? (CHRISTIANS ONLY)

  by brotherdan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there are thousands of people sill trapped in the organization that realize that it cannot be what it claims to be: god's only true organization.

  but do you think that these ones that still believe in christ and his crucifixtion will still be saved?

  after all, salvation does not come from an organization.

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  Chalam

  Think About It I believe that Jesus ressurected his own body from the dead.

  You lost me here. I thought you were smarter than this. Get the hell out of the JW's now and find yourself another cult.

  John 10:17 (English Standard Version)

  17 For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again.

  Romans 8:9-11 (New International Version)

  9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.

  Acts 2:24 (English Standard Version)

  24 God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it.

  1 Peter 3:18 (English Standard Version)

  18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit

  And whilst I am here, more scriptural proof that Jesus is God and also, the Holy Spirit.

  Blessings,

  Stephen
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  Do you believe the "Conscious Class" will be saved? (CHRISTIANS ONLY)

  by brotherdan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there are thousands of people sill trapped in the organization that realize that it cannot be what it claims to be: god's only true organization.

  but do you think that these ones that still believe in christ and his crucifixtion will still be saved?

  after all, salvation does not come from an organization.

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  Chalam

  Just sent you a PM Dan :)

  Double blessings in Christ!

  Stephen
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  Manual - Pioneer Service School

  by naeuca in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi all,.

  i'm thinking about pioneer service...... would anyone happen to have the manual - shining as illuminators in the world, in pdf format that they can send me please to have a look at.. many thanks!!.

  naeuca .

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  Chalam

  Welcome naeuca!

  Blessings,

  Stephen
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  Manual - Pioneer Service School

  by naeuca in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi all,.

  i'm thinking about pioneer service...... would anyone happen to have the manual - shining as illuminators in the world, in pdf format that they can send me please to have a look at.. many thanks!!.

  naeuca .

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  Chalam

  Don't worry dude, you have a Mediator now :)

  Luke 23:34 (New International Version)

  34 Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

  Romans 8:1 (New International Version)

  1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus

  Blessings,

  Stephen
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  Do you believe the "Conscious Class" will be saved? (CHRISTIANS ONLY)

  by brotherdan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there are thousands of people sill trapped in the organization that realize that it cannot be what it claims to be: god's only true organization.

  but do you think that these ones that still believe in christ and his crucifixtion will still be saved?

  after all, salvation does not come from an organization.

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  Chalam

  brotherdan I just wanted to say once again it is great to have you here :)

  Until you find a physical church this might be useful http://www.extremeprophetic.com/index.php/web-church

  Any reason why they haven't disfellowshipped you for apostasy already?

  Blessings,

  Stephen