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Blessings,
Stephen
Posts by Chalam
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Chalam
Understood but where are the spirits of the "non-anoited" who have "GONE HOME" according to the WT?
Blessings,
Stephen
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Chalam
Which groups, the "anointed" and the "non-anointed"?
Blessings,
Stephen
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Found a church that is anti-religion!
by TweetieBird ini started going to a church that my co-worker goes to about a month ago and i really like it.
they actually meet in a movie theater, serve bagels and cream cheese, coffee, and krispy kreme doughnuts.
i wear jeans and flip flops if i want, they play rock music, and so opposite of any kh experience i've ever had.
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Chalam
Sounds great TweetieBird!
I am anti religion too.
Mark 7:8 (New International Version)
8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men."
Blessings,
Stephen
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Chalam
OK, I'd better clarify my questions. Everyone's bodies are in the grave.
The "anointed" spirits are deemed to be in heaven right?
James 2:26 (New International Version)
26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
2 Corinthians 5:8 (New International Version)
8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
So where do the WT deem the spirits of the "non anointed" go to after death?
Blessings,
Stephen
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Chalam
So where do the 'non anointed' go then?
Blessings,
Stephen
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Chalam
I wonder where they think Russell has "GONE HOME" to?
Blessings,
Stephen
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holy spirit and miracles
by inbetween ina thought, that came during last weeks wt study:.
jw believe, that any miraculous gift of the hs is gone in our time, since we have the complete, gods word.. on the other hand, they claim , hs serves them as teacher and remembrancer !.
but is this not also a miracle ?.
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Chalam
John 9:28 (New International Version)
28 Then they hurled insults at him and said, "You are this fellow's disciple! We are disciples of Moses!
John 15:20 (New International Version)
20 Remember the words I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.
1 Peter 2:23 (New International Version)
23 When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly.
Blessings,
Stephen
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holy spirit and miracles
by inbetween ina thought, that came during last weeks wt study:.
jw believe, that any miraculous gift of the hs is gone in our time, since we have the complete, gods word.. on the other hand, they claim , hs serves them as teacher and remembrancer !.
but is this not also a miracle ?.
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Chalam
Those with a cessationist view largely hang there view on verse 10 being the completed biblical canon.
1 Corinthians 13 (New International Version)
1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12 Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
However, the WT claim that tongues have ceased but prophecy has not (verse 8)!
Indeed, according to their view their prophecies should be perfect now as verse 9-10 states!!
Verse 12 states that they should know fully but clearly we are still at the state Paul describes as knowing in part.
The gifts are still fully operational and every Christian who has received the baptism in the Spirit Acts 1:5 should operate in one or more of them 1 Corinthians 12 , 1 Corinthians 14
Who's face will we see "face to face"?
Revelation 22:3-4 (New International Version)
3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads.
Clearly, we have not reached Rev 22 yet and the WT claim is yet more falsehood.
Here's an outline for continuationism. If you want to see the gifts at work then get to your local church of Spirit filled believers Ephesians 5:18
1 Corinthians 14:22 (New International Version)
22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers.
Blessings,
Stephen
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Matthew 10:28
by Ding inin view of their teaching that there is no separate soul apart from the body, how does the wt interpret matthew 10:28: "do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in hell.".
i'm not asking about the hell issue here.. i'm wondering in wt doctrine how it's possible someone to kill the body but not the soul..
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Chalam
IMHO, man is tripartite being made in the image of God as we are :)
1 Thessalonians 5:23 (New International Version)
23 May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
How can the soul be the same as the spirit when they can be divided?
Hebrews 4:12 (New International Version)
12 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
Anyhow, back to debunking the WT tripe.
Blessings,
Stephen