Posts by Chalam

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CT Russell Funeral Picture

by Bangalore in

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bangalore.

Chalam

How could Russell have gone home if the resurrection of the anointed didn't begin until 1918?

Maybe "GONE HOME" is old light and "GONE AWAY" is the new light ;)

Blessings,

Stephen

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Disfellowshiping is a blessing!

by brotherdan in

so yesterday my mil did the token believing df'd person thing and told my wife that if she had not been df'd she would not have corrected her course of action.

it was a devistating blow to everything that i've been working on with my wife.

her mom said if she had not been df'd she would have spread lies about my wife's dad and would have still wanted to be with her ex-boyfriend.

Chalam

brotherdan WT: 10

brotherdan: 0

I disagree. Here is the current score.

WT:Lost

BD:Saved

I agree with Ding, "watch and pray".

Let the Holy Spirit do the talking, He will give you the words as needed and beyond that, keep quite, keep praying and remain in love :)

Blessings,

Stephen

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New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures...

by Joliette in

if i'm not mistaken, werent the committee of brothers who translated this bible: nathan knorr, albert scheoder, george gangas, fredrick franz.

wasnt fredrick franz the only scholarly person (or somewhat scholarly) person who was 'somewhat qualified' to translate any type of biblical greek, hebrew, etc?.

Chalam

theMadJW Ah, that explains it; thus the common translation (main customer being church-people) translate it to fit your dogma!

The list clearly shows no version has the word "Ghost" as you have accused but all have the words "Spirit" as the Hebrew dictates. Any of these translations are easily far more accurate that the NWT.

"Active force" is a poor paraphrase at best and the only ones who subscribe to it are those who worship the god of the WT.

Blessings,

Stephen

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It's all in the grammar...

by Chalam in

hi jwners,.

3 no longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of god and of the lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him.ok, "the throne of god and of the lamb" is mentioned.

who is coming soon, the lamb or god?

Chalam

First get the issue of who Jesus is settled, then move on to discussion of the Holy Spirit.

Understood. However, you need the Holy Spirit to reveal who Jesus is :)

John 14:26 (New International Version)

26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

John 15:26 (New International Version)

26 "When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.

1 Corinthians 2:13 (New International Version)

13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.

1 Thessalonians 1:5 (New International Version)

5 because our gospel came to you not simply with words, but also with power, with the Holy Spirit and with deep conviction. You know how we lived among you for your sake.

Blessings,

Stephen

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New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures...

by Joliette in

if i'm not mistaken, werent the committee of brothers who translated this bible: nathan knorr, albert scheoder, george gangas, fredrick franz.

wasnt fredrick franz the only scholarly person (or somewhat scholarly) person who was 'somewhat qualified' to translate any type of biblical greek, hebrew, etc?.

Chalam

Neither is the word "Ghost", as in -snicker!- the 'Holy GHOST'!

Which translation are you reading? Another contender for the "most accurate"?

<< Genesis 1:2 >>

New International Version (©1984)
Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

New Living Translation (©2007)
The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.

English Standard Version (©2001)
The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep water. The Spirit of God was hovering over the water.

King James Bible
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

American King James Version
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters.

American Standard Version
And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Bible in Basic English
And the earth was waste and without form; and it was dark on the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God was moving on the face of the waters.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And the earth was void and empty, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God moved over the waters.

Darby Bible Translation
And the earth was waste and empty, and darkness was on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

English Revised Version
And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Webster's Bible Translation
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

World English Bible
Now the earth was formless and empty. Darkness was on the surface of the deep. God's Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters.

Young's Literal Translation
the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness is on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters,

By capturing the TRUE meaning of the Hebrew, as well as what the holy spirit REALLY is it is just more PROOF as to how accurate and honest it IS, Chalam.

So you agree, the NWT is not a translation i.e. capturing the meaning, not the exact words.

Or are you one who worships a Nameless Ghost-God?

No, I worship Jesus, My Lord and My God.

Blessings,

Stephen

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CT Russell Funeral Picture

by Bangalore in

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bangalore.

Chalam

Bangalore I think it is saying that Russell is still managing the work from heaven.

Pastor Russell is dead and his body in the grave. Is Russell managing his work from heaven consciously or unconsciously?

snowbird The WT teaches that the "non-anointed" dead person's spirit returns to God in the sense that the dead's person's "future prospect" for life rests with Jehovah God.

Indeed, JWs have quoted me this verse.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (English Standard Version)

7 and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

"Ashes to ashes, dust to dust" and the spirit to be with God. Where is His abode then?!

So what other verses to they use to 'support' their destiny for the spirits of the dead "non-anointed"?

Blessings,

Stephen

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New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures...

by Joliette in

if i'm not mistaken, werent the committee of brothers who translated this bible: nathan knorr, albert scheoder, george gangas, fredrick franz.

wasnt fredrick franz the only scholarly person (or somewhat scholarly) person who was 'somewhat qualified' to translate any type of biblical greek, hebrew, etc?.

Chalam

theMadJW Chalam, in Hebrew:

Holy= pure, clean, set aside

Spirit= breath, wind (invisible force. ALL force is ACTIVE)

So you admit the words "active" and "force" are not in the Hebrew and the WT is indeed paraphrasing, not translating.

Clearly, the NWT fails the WT claim of being the "most accurate" translation by the second verse!

Blessings,

Stephen

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It's all in the grammar...

by Chalam in

hi jwners,.

3 no longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of god and of the lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him.ok, "the throne of god and of the lamb" is mentioned.

who is coming soon, the lamb or god?

Chalam

Hi JWNers,

I posted a verse or two from this passage earlier and it reminded me about the biblical grammar in statements concerning the Father and Son.

Revelation 22 (English Standard Version)

1 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him. OK, "the throne of God and of the Lamb" is mentioned. Obviously, from the statement it is one throne, not two. Doesn't that make the Lamb equal to God? 4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. "His name" is mentioned but who's name is being referred to, God's or the Lamb's? Similarly, who's face will be seen, the Lamb's or God's? Matthew 5:8, 1 John 4:12 , Hebrews 1:3, Colossians 1:15 5 And night will be no more. They will need no light of lamp or sun, for the Lord God will be their light, and they will reign forever and ever. Who will be their light, the Lamb or God? Revelation 21:23 6 And he said to me, "These words are trustworthy and true. And the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants what must soon take place."

7 "And behold, I am coming soon. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book."

Who is coming soon, the Lamb or God? Revelation 3:11-12, Revelation 22:20

8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me, 9 but he said to me, "You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."

10 And he said to me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near. 11 Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy, and the righteous still do right, and the holy still be holy."

12 "Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay everyone for what he has done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

Who is coming soon? The Alpha and the Omega? Which one, the Son or the Father? Revelation 1:8, Revelation 21:6

The First and the Last? Which one? Revelation 1:17, Revelation 2:8

Blessings,

Stephen

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New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures...

by Joliette in

if i'm not mistaken, werent the committee of brothers who translated this bible: nathan knorr, albert scheoder, george gangas, fredrick franz.

wasnt fredrick franz the only scholarly person (or somewhat scholarly) person who was 'somewhat qualified' to translate any type of biblical greek, hebrew, etc?.