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  The "generation" cover-up continues

  by proplog2 in

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  well, the new "generation" light has finally been released in print.

  this is important because it the centerpiece of their whole orientation.. it is still a disjointed coverup of why they have this doctrine in the first place.

  christ didn't come in 1874 or 1914. .

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  Chalam

  Revelation 1 (New International Version)
  
  7Look, he is coming with the clouds,
  and every eye will see him,
  
  Looks like He hasn't returned yet!
  
  Many other verses to this effect too.
  
  Regards,
  Stephen
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  Something that bugged me the other day.

  by tnangel73 in

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  i live in a very small town.

  i hadn't been to the local mexican restaurant in quite awhile until the other day.

  my mom, my son and me were .

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  Chalam

  JW's want to read a Bible every once in a while-preferably not a NWT!
  
  (New International Version)
  
  Proverbs 11:25
  A generous man will prosper; he who refreshes others will himself be refreshed.
  
  2 Corinthians 9:6
  [ Sowing Generously ] Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.
  
  1 Timothy 6:18
  Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share.
  
  Regards,
  Stephen
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  What makes the 144,000 heavenly class stand out from the average person?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  the jehovahs witnesses claim that the 144,000 is a limit to the number of people who will reign with christ in heaven and spend eternity with god.

  the 144,000 have the heavenly hope.

  those who are not born again will enjoy the earthly hopea paradise on earth ruled by christ and the 144,000. today,the wts claim that there are less than 9,000 heavenly class left on earth.. .

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  Chalam

  "The Jehovah’s Witnesses claim that the 144,000 is a limit to the number of people who will reign with Christ in heaven and spend eternity with God. The 144,000 have the heavenly hope. Those who are not born again will enjoy the earthly hope—a paradise on earth ruled by Christ and the 144,000. Today,the WTS claim that there are less than 9,000 heavenly class left on earth."
  
  Hi,
  This is total garbage from the JW's-read any Bible.
  
  Directly after mentioning the 144 000 Jews mentioned in Revelation 7 the Bible mentions The Great Multitude in White Robes
  
  Revelation 7 (New International Version)
  
  9After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10And they cried out in a loud voice:
  "Salvation belongs to our God,
  who sits on the throne,
  and to the Lamb."
  
  13Then one of the elders asked me, "These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?"
  
  14I answered, "Sir, you know."
  
  And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15Therefore,
  "they are before the throne of God
  and serve him day and night in his temple;
  and he who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them.
  16Never again will they hunger;
  never again will they thirst.
  The sun will not beat upon them,
  nor any scorching heat.
  17For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd;
  he will lead them to springs of living water.
  And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."
  
  So there will be a great number out of the tribulation alone who spend eternity with God in the New Jerusalem, not including all those who are saved throughout history.
  
  The Dead Are Judged
  
  11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
  
  Regards,
  Stephen
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  144 000 blasted by the MATH (WT lying again)

  by hamsterbait in

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  i just took nathan natas chart for numbers of memorial partakers since 1935.. i worked out that on average 823 new partakers have been added every year since 1936, whilst on average 716 have been dying each year.. what is especially interesting, is that when the total of new partaker numbers almost exactly matches that given in w96 15/8 p31 for 1935, is in the year 1995 - they year they began to deliberately create the fog around the "generation" teaching.

  (i used actual figures, not averages here).

  i am now convinced that they have been paving the way for the feb 15 noolite since then.. i disregarded the figure for 1935 itself, since the witchtower gives two figures for partakers -.

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  Chalam

  Well no doubt the maths is totally wrong from the WTO as none of the 144 000 have been sealed yet-this is during the tribulation period.
  
  Also they are quite clearly all Jewish.
  
  Revelation 7
  
  144,000 Sealed
  
  1After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. 2Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3"Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God." 4Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
  5From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
  from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
  from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
  6from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
  from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,
  from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
  7from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,
  from the tribe of Levi 12,000,
  from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
  8from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,
  from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,
  from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.
  
  Revelation 14
  
  The Lamb and the 144,000
  
  1Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.
  
  
  Also, they clearly have God's name on their foreheads and they have not taken the Mark Of The Beast (666) on their foreheads or right hand
  
  Revelation 13
  
  16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
  
  This clearly hasn't happened yet.
  
  So as difficult to understand as Revelation can be, even a child can can see that the JW doctrine on the 144 000 is complete nonsense. Weird it is one of the first few things that they usually mention to me when they arrive at my door!
  
  Regards,
  Stephen
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  WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BODIES OF THOSE DROWNED IN NOAH'S FLOOD?

  by badboy in

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  any ideas what jws say?

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  Hi,
  I want to make it clear I am not a JW or never have been ;)
  
  Anyhow, here is what the bible says about the dead before the days of Noah.
  
  1 Peter 3
  
  18For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 19through whom[d] also he went and preached to the spirits in prison 20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.
  
  1 Peter 4
  
  5But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. 6For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.
  
  See here for more.
  
  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=73&chapter=20&version=31&context=chapter
  
  Regards,
  Stephen
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  Have a great 08 everybody!

  by changeling in

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  it's new year's eve where i live and i want to wish all of you peace and happiness in 2008!

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  changeling (((((((((((((((((jwd)))))))))))))))))

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  Chalam

  Happy New Year to one and all!
  
  Stephen
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  Own up time...

  by Chalam in

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  well it looks like this site is a real melting pot, a broad spectrum of views and beliefs.

  for sure there are many disaffected ex jws.

  so in as few words as possible, preferably not more than one sentence, how would you describe yourself spiritually?

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  Chalam

  Hi everybody,
  Thanks for all the posts-interesting reading.
  
  Anyhow, a happy new year to you all!
  
  Stephen
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  Own up time...

  by Chalam in

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  well it looks like this site is a real melting pot, a broad spectrum of views and beliefs.

  for sure there are many disaffected ex jws.

  so in as few words as possible, preferably not more than one sentence, how would you describe yourself spiritually?

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  Chalam

  Hi changeling,
  No, never have been a witness or never will be. I have a friend who is so I quite understand why many of the ex witnesses are totally tired of "religion", being preached to, controlled and trained to hate "apostates" etc.
  
  As I tell my friend, "religion" is mentioned only six times in the whole Bible and if you look, religion is about following rules and regulations. However, the New Testament says that trying to following rules is totally futile, we aren't to even attempt and that believers need to follow the Spirit. JWs don't believe in the Spirit or have Him living within them so are unable to live by Him.
  
  So to PEC and yourself on the issue burning in Hell, that if it does happen that it will be an everlasting act or worship in itself?
  
  Regards,
  Stephen
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  Own up time...

  by Chalam in

  1. jw
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  well it looks like this site is a real melting pot, a broad spectrum of views and beliefs.

  for sure there are many disaffected ex jws.

  so in as few words as possible, preferably not more than one sentence, how would you describe yourself spiritually?

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  Chalam

  Hi FS,
  "I'm not sure I have "spirituality" in any religous sense of the word."
  
  Fair point. I think the question should be revised to "What is your belief system?"
  
  Regards,
  Stephen
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  Own up time...

  by Chalam in

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  well it looks like this site is a real melting pot, a broad spectrum of views and beliefs.

  for sure there are many disaffected ex jws.

  so in as few words as possible, preferably not more than one sentence, how would you describe yourself spiritually?

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  Chalam

  Cool selection so far!
  
  So mouthy-what type of Christian BTW? Are you born again?